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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I've just written a grumpy message to Rent Smart Wales

12 replies

FaceLikeCattle · 03/08/2023 20:56

As a Welsh landlord, I have to do training to keep my licence, which is boring, but actually quite useful. You can choose what training you do out of a selection offered and I have been deliberately avoiding anything that might make me compromise my GC views as I don't want to 'fail' the CPD course. It is multiple choice so you either click the right answer or you don't get the points. I am running out of training courses that are safe from this topic, so today I did one on hate crime and just hoped that it would be fine.

As part of the course, they taught us that:
'Whenever a police force receives a report of an incident motivated by hostility towards a person's disability, race/ethnicity, religion/belief, sexual orientation or transgender identity, a police hate crime process or procedure is triggered.

'There are other characteristics protected from discrimination by the Equality Act 2010 including the above: Age, Pregnancy, Marriage/Civil Partnership and Gender.'

So gender is mentioned twice (gender and transgender identity) and sex is left out altogether. How can government training on legislation get the legislation so wrong?

...unless I've misunderstood?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/08/2023 22:29

It's a feature, not a bug. They listen to Stonewall's made up narrative and reproduce it - local authorities, businesses etc. Doesn't matter who they are - if they've been Stonewalled, this is what you get.

Rightsraptor · 03/08/2023 23:29

What sort of landlord are you that you have to have training, @FaceLikeCattle?

donquixotedelamancha · 03/08/2023 23:38

The second paragraph (in your OP, first quoted one) is entirely accurate. The CPS do flag those specific categories and courts impose higher sentences based if a crime is 'hateful' against one of those groups. This is based on legislation from 2020 IIRC.

Your third paragraph is inaccurate, in the EA it's sex, not gender and gender reassignment, not identity.

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 03/08/2023 23:40

Rightsraptor · 03/08/2023 23:29

What sort of landlord are you that you have to have training, @FaceLikeCattle?

A Welsh one?

IcakethereforeIam · 03/08/2023 23:52

Sex is omitted from being taken into account as a hate crime by the Police and CPS.

Rightsraptor · 03/08/2023 23:52

A property landlord or a pub landlord?

When I rented out property I didn't have any training - how could I be forced to? So that leaves me thinking pub.

EdithStourton · 04/08/2023 00:37

I doubt anything to do with pubs would be called Rent Smart Wales....

LoobiJee · 04/08/2023 03:22

They’ve got two of the EA 2010 protected characteristics wrong.

It’s “pregnancy and maternity”. It’s important to get that right as it protects the post natal period, as I recall the cut off point for legal purposes being generally a year after birth. Not just pregnancy.

drspouse · 04/08/2023 03:27

The other issue is "incident" (could be anything including non criminal) vs "crime".

FaceLikeCattle · 04/08/2023 06:25

Rightsraptor · 03/08/2023 23:29

What sort of landlord are you that you have to have training, @FaceLikeCattle?

Every landlord in Wales had to be licenced, even if you're only letting out a place to friends or family. Although I think short-term holiday lets are exempt.

You either get the licence yourself (and have to do training) or you pay an estate agent to manage the property and hold the licence on your behalf.

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PriOn1 · 04/08/2023 07:04

As others have said, transgender identity is tyd terminology used in the hate crime legislation.

The EA was earlier and much less influenced by the gender agenda and (as others have pointed put) they have wrongly listed the characteristics and specifically failed to list those that protect women’s rights accurately.

Glad you wrote a grumpy letter. I hope you get a response that acknowledges their failure and states they will address it.

DaisyThistle · 04/08/2023 07:34

IcakethereforeIam · 03/08/2023 23:52

Sex is omitted from being taken into account as a hate crime by the Police and CPS.

quite shockingly, it was decided in UK fairly recently that misogyny was not a hate crime as it would be too difficult to prove. So sex is not included.

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