Dr Martens Queer Joy

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Sorry if there's already a thread about it, I couldn't find it!
Dr Martens boots showing a trans man with scars from mactectomy.
Apparently not mass produced, but one off. But why...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/01/dr-martens-queer-joy-boot-trans-mastectomy-scars/#Echobox=1690913440

Interestingly, on fb comments are rather supportive so far.

A child of 17 or under is not old enough to grasp the full implications of any of this so called gender affirming medical treatment. Many teens are convinced they won't want to have children, so breastfeeding seems like an irrelevance, but most women do eventually want to have children. Not all will choose to breastfeed but these children won't have the option.They are sold a view that a double mastectomy is 'top surgery', cutesy euphemism, and that having this healthy tissue removed is like having a skin tag removed. They don't understand about the possible complications and lifelong damage that may ensue.

They're too young to get a tattoo but can consent to this? The evidence base that it will improve their mental health is simply not there. Such evidence as we do have suggests the contrary. As far as I am concerned it is like affirming a child with an eating disorder and allowing her to starve herself.

All I know is that my dc won’t wear their expensive dms any more as only the ‘pronoun kids’ wear them now.

It’s an anorexic’s body too, but I assume you wouldn’t support an organisation promoting gastric bands to those with an eating disorder?

Celebrating butchery as the way to ‘treat’ a usually (given space and appropriate mental health support) temporary unhappiness with the effects of puberty is… morally dubious at best.

Lifetime scarring, loss of sensation, inability to breast feed later in life and introducing infection risks for a medically unnecessary procedure - none of these are a (mentally healthy) source of ‘joy.’

And this is why sane people and trans activists can't really have a conversation. Trans activists don't appear able to follow any train of thought.

Women of Mumsnet! We have a man here to tell us that fussing over vulnerable children is less important than Putin/Isis OH LOOK A SQUIRREL!

Oh dear. Annoyed you made yourself look foolish?

This was your post:

Who’s just cutting off their breasts ? Have you seen this for yourself ?
or are you just reporting what you think rather than what has actually happened ?

There is extensive evidence showing that girls as young as twelve have had their breasts amputated. So I’m not sure if you are properly ignorant or attempting (and failing) to cast doubt on something so easily proven.

“It’s their body” is not an appropriate response to the question of whether it can ever be ethical to carry out elective plastic surgery on children’s perfectly normal, healthy bodies, on the grounds that they are suffering from mental health problems.

Are you absolutely sure that this hasn't been done to the daughter/granddaughter/niece of any of the women on here? I'm pretty sure it has.

But even those who don't have a young relative caught up in this think that what has happened to girls and young women like Chloe Cole, Keira Bell and Sinead Watson is heartbreaking.

You may care about no one but yourself, but some of us do care about what is happening to girls and young women. Even those we don't know.