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Kemi Badenoch: Diversity obsession has led to Kafkaesque madness (KB for PM?)

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IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 18:17

Another really straightforwarded down to earth practical commentary of where chasing the rainbow has led us. And ideas on how Government cant, without being dictatorial help solve the mess.

The root of the problem is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Equality Act 2010, often exploited by those with a separate agenda. The Equality Act is a shield, not a sword. It is about preventing discrimination, not social engineering. There are no protected groups in the act, only protected characteristics. A white man is just as protected on the characteristics of race and sex as a black woman, yet many believe the act is there just to protect minorities, when in reality it protects us all.

Many companies’ diversity and inclusion activities are falling foul of the law; for example by confusing legal positive action and positive discrimination, which is illegal — except when selecting political candidates (a handy get-out-clause Labour devised to use all-women shortlists). Encouraging people from underrepresented backgrounds to apply for a job or go for a promotion is positive action, and legal. Restricting applications for a position to a certain group is positive discrimination and most certainly isn’t. This has led to increasing calls for the Equality Act to be scrapped. The act is 13 years old and could be improved but the issue is not the law. It’s bad actors misrepresenting it to suit their agenda.

Many of these laws were written at a time when institutions knew how to self-regulate. Someone proposing a terrible idea would be checked by colleagues in the organisation. Today, those colleagues are scared of being called bigots for disagreeing, so they say nothing. What the Farage and Sawers cases have done is show that this problem is getting worse. Long-held tenets of liberal democracy — freedom of association, freedom of conscience, the presumption of innocence — are being tossed aside in favour of dubious inclusion strategies that themselves fall foul of the law. In some cases they’re cancelling people before any wrongdoing occurs, leaving them with no way to prove their innocence.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kemi-badenoch-banking-scandal-natwest-niigel-farage-wdp3mmq0w
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Kemi Badenoch: Diversity obsession has led to Kafkaesque madness

I became very uneasy reading this month that NatWest Group had closed the account of Professor Lesley Sawers. Why had this accomplished businesswoman, appointed an OBE for services to equalities and business, had her bank account closed after 25 years?...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kemi-badenoch-banking-scandal-natwest-niigel-farage-wdp3mmq0w

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DysonSpheres · 31/07/2023 12:23

Think on how much more "valuable" an infertile transwoman is than a natal woman. No kids. No leaving the office on time. No getting called out of meetings for a nursery emergency. No needing a job that pays enough for childcare. No days off to look after kids with vomiting bugs. No menopause symptoms. And all the kudos of being a "positive inclusion employer" while really employing more men. Literally no one is on this diversity bandwagon because they give a single shit about the humans caught up in the centre of this mess.

This used to be my train of thought but I'm not sure it's true anymore.

AutumnCrow · 31/07/2023 12:26

Papernotplastic · 31/07/2023 10:28

This board has become so right wing it’s frightening.

Fear not. I'm still reading the Morning Star.

LizzieSiddal · 31/07/2023 12:34

Didn't even bother to read the Op's post then? Just the usual knee-jerk reaction without any thought or consideration that is so beloved of the left eh?

I stated, if you read my post properly, that I was responding to the OP’s title question. I don’t need to read an article to know I don’t want KB as PM.

Floisme · 31/07/2023 12:43

Are you going to read the article Lizzie?

GailBlancheViola · 31/07/2023 12:43

LizzieSiddal · 31/07/2023 12:34

Didn't even bother to read the Op's post then? Just the usual knee-jerk reaction without any thought or consideration that is so beloved of the left eh?

I stated, if you read my post properly, that I was responding to the OP’s title question. I don’t need to read an article to know I don’t want KB as PM.

You mean the bit in brackets at the very end in the title? You picked that bit out to respond to and ignored the rest of the title, why am I not surprised at that and the fact you won't sully your eyes or mind to actually read the opening post. Talk about one track views and a closed mind.

DismantledKing · 31/07/2023 12:50

God, no. She might be right on this, but even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. Otherwise I think she’s awful.

HBGKC · 31/07/2023 12:53

Duckskitbank · 31/07/2023 11:00

I think Kemi is brilliant. I’d love to see her as PM.

I’m not left wing but I’m still allowed to have opinions and post them (much to some Mumsnetters’ horror).

Hear hear.

Dinopawus · 31/07/2023 13:03

MrTiddlesTheCat · 31/07/2023 11:21

She can fuck right off. She doesn't want disabled children to recieve extra support at school. She's abhorent.

A few years ago she told my then 10 year old that TA's weren't needed full stop. Not sure how the right think they will make money without educating the lower classes.

Froodwithatowel · 31/07/2023 13:04

LizzieSiddal · 31/07/2023 10:56

Papernotplastic · Today 10:28
This board has become so right wing it’s frightening.

I agree. Let’s not forget the scandals of Tavistock, Mermaids, and Stonewall have all happened during 13 years of a Tory government. They did absolutely fuck all.

While Labour et al actively cheered those scandals on and are still in total denial that they ever happened. And if they did they weren't that bad. And if they were then whoever they hurt deserved it.

No. This line is tried a lot, and it really doesn't work.

justgotosleepffs · 31/07/2023 13:11

Papernotplastic · 31/07/2023 10:28

This board has become so right wing it’s frightening.

I have never voted conservative, and spoiled my ballot last time around. But I cwoukd be more comfortable at the momwnt to have KB or Miriam Cates as Prime Minister thsn almost anyone Labour, except Rosie Duffield which isn't going to happen in the current climate.

A lot of people in the Conservative Party understand this issue, and almost no one in Labour does. Things are so bad in places like Canada, I'm scared that labour will take us that way.

I'd rather lose my home, live on the breadline and rely on food banks than have my children taken into care because I won't support their transition, and then watch helplessly as foster carers put them.on cross-sex hormones.

Hepwo · 31/07/2023 13:16

Papernotplastic · 31/07/2023 10:28

This board has become so right wing it’s frightening.

The public sector, education and NHS are largely left wing and a voluntarily choosing some very anti women and children policies.

AdamRyan · 31/07/2023 13:23

Miriam Cates think women should stay at home and have more babies. Especially if they are white.

https://www.miriamcates.org.uk/news/our-declining-birth-rate

She's not really very feminist. Just part of the overlapping Venn diagram between radical feminists and conservatives

Our declining birth rate

Miriam Cates MP speaks about the impact of economic policy on Britain's declining birth rate and the impact of that decline on the future of our country.

https://www.miriamcates.org.uk/news/our-declining-birth-rate

Floisme · 31/07/2023 13:34

What do you think of the article AdamRyan?

AutumnCrow · 31/07/2023 13:38

dcbc1234 · 31/07/2023 11:20

Presumably they weren't in Unions or their Union refused to help.

The Unions are EDI-ed up right up their arseholes through into their bowels. Have you seen the state of unions like the NEU and their officers, all entangled with and polluting the local Labour activism that used to care a great deal about women's rights?

(And no to any Conservative for PM, thanks for asking.)

Floisme · 31/07/2023 13:40

Floisme · 31/07/2023 13:34

What do you think of the article AdamRyan?

To be clear, I'm referring here to the Kemi Badenoch article, the one linked by the op.

Hepwo · 31/07/2023 13:40

"Venn diagram" is now definitely an indicator of the complexity a someone can cope with.

Words in circles.

Hepwo · 31/07/2023 13:51

What Adam Ryan said
Miriam Cates think women should stay at home and have more babies.

What Miriam Cates said
We must celebrate motherhood and fatherhood, giving women genuine choice about how to nurture their babies and meaningful support to return to the workplace at the time of their choosing.

AdamRyan · 31/07/2023 14:01

Floisme · 31/07/2023 13:40

To be clear, I'm referring here to the Kemi Badenoch article, the one linked by the op.

I don't understand why Nigel Farage, a politician with some political and financial links to Russia, is being used as some sort of martyr to political correctness.

I don't think she put her money where her mouth is in standing up against Johnson when her own "self regulating institution" failed

And i don't like her calling victims of discrimination "professionally offended"

I'm not very clear what she's actually proposing to do, apart from stoking a culture war

So I don't trust her and no, I don't want her for PM

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 31/07/2023 14:02

LizzieSiddal · 31/07/2023 10:21

No I don’t want her as PM. I want a sensible Labour PM.

Then ‘want ‘ will be your master

AdamRyan · 31/07/2023 14:05

Hepwo · 31/07/2023 13:51

What Adam Ryan said
Miriam Cates think women should stay at home and have more babies.

What Miriam Cates said
We must celebrate motherhood and fatherhood, giving women genuine choice about how to nurture their babies and meaningful support to return to the workplace at the time of their choosing.

I was summarising her very lengthy article. 🙄 People can read it and judge for herself how feminist she is.

Personally when I read articles about women being childless, that don't even fleetingly mention the complete fecklessness of men or the damage childbirth does to womens health, life choices and future opportunities I don't think that person is feminist.

Floisme · 31/07/2023 14:08

I don't understand why Nigel Farage, a politician with some political and financial links to Russia, is being used as some sort of martyr to political correctness.
It seems clear from the bank's own documents that Farage's account was closed because they did not like his values - are you saying you support this or do you have evidence that this wasn't the real reason?

AugustFreeze · 31/07/2023 14:20

I think Kemi is brilliant. I’d love to see her as PM.

Kemi’s stance on the issues outlined above is good, but as my local MP, she will be lucky to keep her seat come next election. She has treated her constituents with total contempt. She does a little bit for local business, but doesn’t want to know about anything else. She is ripped to shreds in our local papers.

I’ve voted Conservative to date, but won’t next time, because of Kemi. She’s just too useless as our local MP. She just doesn’t give a shit. She was given a very safe seat, and she may just lose it.

AdamRyan · 31/07/2023 14:38

Floisme · 31/07/2023 14:08

I don't understand why Nigel Farage, a politician with some political and financial links to Russia, is being used as some sort of martyr to political correctness.
It seems clear from the bank's own documents that Farage's account was closed because they did not like his values - are you saying you support this or do you have evidence that this wasn't the real reason?

I think risk assessing Politically Exposed People must be very difficult and also maybe some of the reasons they might deem him high risk would not go into the public domain. For example links to crime or corruption.

I also think banks are a business and so can refuse service for whatever reasons they want.

Anyone using Nigel Farage as their rallying point makes me suspicious TBH. Hence why I don't take that article hugely seriously.

Roastingcoffee · 31/07/2023 14:39

Papernotplastic · 31/07/2023 10:28

This board has become so right wing it’s frightening.

This

Fukuraptor · 31/07/2023 14:59

Often calling something out as right wing is used in the same way as calling something transphobic. It's designed to get people to stop discussing ideas and policies and get them back in line. It is specifically called out to shame people who don't see themselves as right wing (because people who see themselves as right wing wouldn't care).

Let's actually discuss the substance of issues/policies etc rather than just virtue signal/put up the tribal colours.

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