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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone feeling emboldened to speak out?

6 replies

MrsFButton · 30/07/2023 08:31

There seems to be a complete change in tone on twitter in terms of how many GC feminists are talking. The Labour Party policy change, the Annaliese Dodds article in the Guardian, Richard Dawkins in New Statesman and Andrew Neil tweeting about "gender affirming" care have all come in a bit of a rush. But does that mean it's all over? Or does it just mean that now it's a bit safer for people with WORIAD beliefs to stick our heads above the parapet and say what we think? Or does it not even have that much impact?

I'm definitely feeling a bit bolder about expressing my views and challenging the accepted position a bit more. Anyone else?

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AlisonDonut · 30/07/2023 08:44

Some of my real life [straight] friends were at Nottingham Pride yesterday.

I have so many trans friends in my extended friends network, many of whom are really mentally ill in so many other ways [including post military trauma], and Nottingham is so utterly captured, it is going to be really hard this coming few weeks as it all starts changing.

It is like walking on eggshells. One friend's daughter is of course a they them now. Well, actually she is just [rebelling is the wrong word - but...] after her parents split but they can't see that.

teawamutu · 30/07/2023 14:52

Far more so than ever before. Combination of the court victories, the brilliant and brave women speaking out, and the TRAs/exemplars like Isla Bryson, Lia Thomas et al who've made it clear and obvious that 'don't be daft the powers that be would never let that happen' is total bollocks.

turbonerd · 30/07/2023 18:13

I feel that I can speak out, and I have done so in small measures under my own name on Facebook for instance.

But it is very hard when it is about children (grown or otherwise) of friends or family.
I lost one friend who went all TWAW because of her son, and she clearly did not appreciate my defence of biological reality.

Now my sil has a son who has just started taking cross sex hormones. He’s over 18, so is free to do what he likes. I did say she to him, and call him by his New name. But I have decided to avoid them a bit, because it riled me immensely that during a discussion it was forbidden to mention the difficulties girls and women in Afghanistan are living through. It was very relevant to what we were talking about, and connected to his education - in fact he brought it up.
I don’t take kindly to being sensured to protect a lie. And I don’t take kindly to being forced to lie and forced to believe a lie. I had enough of that from a religious society and a highly abusive atheistic ex.

So I have learned that arsehole behaviour is rife in all sorts of places, and no Thank you I am not interested.

pastatriangles · 30/07/2023 18:37

4 friends have brought it up to me recently and we all have the same view

I tried to bring it up a couple years ago and it was all 'yeah that's not on but I don't wanna be the one to say it.'

Definitely sensing a big change.

dcbc1234 · 30/07/2023 18:56

Don't be pulled into a false sense of security. Labour's change isn't really a change....more weasel words of safe spaces not single sex spaces and any doctor being able to give GRA cert is the same as on demand effectively. That doesn't matter so long as GRA doesn't confer right t o enter single sex spaces.
Twitter which I will never use is way better for Musk allowing free speech but it will still be a long haul back to sanity.

Erivo · 30/07/2023 19:05

It is much easier now, there is just too many examples for people to tie themselves up in trying to justify. The lack of debate forced so much through but is now backfiring as more people realise that there are areas that do need debating and just how hostile the area that they supported really is.

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