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We'd like to see more art by women in our galleries

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ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 27/07/2023 10:34

Hello all
If you went into a number of our public galleries you could be forgiven for thinking that only white men ever painted in the past, and like all of us who have thought that, you'd be wrong! Even in the middle ages, women painted, and as the centuries went by, more and more women fought against the odds to paint.

In the National Gallery, of 1056 paintings on display, do you know how many are by women?

Eight. Yes Eight. Less than 1%

At the moment, government places no requirement on the galleries they fund to address inequalities in their collections. ArtActivistBarbie and ArtforAllbyAll are trying to change this.

Please please help us persuade them by signing our petition!

https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

Sign the Petition

Tell government we want more art by women on our gallery walls!

https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 27/07/2023 14:49

YetAnotherSpartacus · 27/07/2023 14:42

One of the things that altered my perception of “what is at” was Grayson Perrys Art Club during lockdown.

I didn't know about the art club but I really love Grayson Perry's art.

It was great, for those of a certain age it was a grown up “Vision On”/”Take Hart”, and the context of all the artwork, particularly the first series, was the early days of the pandemic and lockdown. It was a huge insight into people’s perceptions of what was going on, through all their creative output. It was on channel 4 if you have access to their streaming services.

WarriorN · 27/07/2023 15:27

Eg I would have a different response to a painting if you told me that the painter used their mouth or feet because they do not have the use of their hands, because part of my emotional response will be admiration and wondering how the heck they did it.

Yes.

Check out these artists :

shop.scope.org.uk/pages/about-our-artists

WarriorN · 27/07/2023 15:29

At the same time I'd advocate for art by a wide range of artists to be shown in galleries without any background, as that's true inclusion. But, context or provenance is part and parcel of art.

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 15:41

@MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving wrote: "While a lot of art such as fine portraits or sculptures are judged and admired because of their technical merits, I now prefer to consider art as something creative that provokes a reaction".

There is plenty of merit in that. But I think the OP IS concerned with art that does wexist not being displayed as part of the historical record. The points about women not having opportunities to train in technical detail; or working in transient media; or producing great art anonymously; all those are lost from history.

Whataretalkingabout · 27/07/2023 15:45

Why is this thread being derailed about a male artist?
Why are people talking about Grayson Perry here?
Even he calls himself a man in a dress.
This is a thread about needing more public recognition of women artists.

ArabeIIaScott · 27/07/2023 16:06

EmmaGrundyForPM · 27/07/2023 14:49

The largest collection of Women's art in Europe

https://www.murrayedwards.cam.ac.uk/about/womens-art-collection

Oh, my word, thank you! I had no idea this existed! I will make a determined effort to visit. Wonderful.

ArabeIIaScott · 27/07/2023 16:07

OP, sounds like a really interesting campaign. Is there a newsletter, or something?

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 27/07/2023 16:37

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 15:41

@MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving wrote: "While a lot of art such as fine portraits or sculptures are judged and admired because of their technical merits, I now prefer to consider art as something creative that provokes a reaction".

There is plenty of merit in that. But I think the OP IS concerned with art that does wexist not being displayed as part of the historical record. The points about women not having opportunities to train in technical detail; or working in transient media; or producing great art anonymously; all those are lost from history.

I’m agreeing with OP, I’m not sure I’m following this post if it’s aimed at me.

lordloveadog · 27/07/2023 17:32

Why aren't the beautiful tapestries and other textiles women produced displayed in galleries as artworks?

JoyousAsOtters · 27/07/2023 17:33

There was a fantastic group exhibition of female abstract artists at the Whitechapel earlier this year. Called Action, Gesture, Paint. It’s in Arles over the summer at the Van Gogh foundation, so if you are in the South of France it will definitely be worth a look:

https://www.fondation-vincentvangogh-arles.org/en/exposition/brouillon-auto-2/

Fondation Vincent van Gogh à Arles - Action, Gesture, Paint Women Artists and Global Abstraction (1940–70)

https://www.fondation-vincentvangogh-arles.org/en/exposition/brouillon-auto-2/

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 18:43

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 27/07/2023 16:37

I’m agreeing with OP, I’m not sure I’m following this post if it’s aimed at me.

I like all kinds of art, but the sort of oil paintings and technically advanced drawing techniques using materials that can survive for centuries, done by women, is important. It's that which is absent from the National Gallery.

When we think about it in those terms, that's a different conversation than displaying tapestry and small personal works.

JoyousAsOtters · 27/07/2023 19:54

Plus Paula Rego at the moment - making it 9 out of more than a thousand.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 27/07/2023 20:19

It was great, for those of a certain age it was a grown up “Vision On”/”Take Hart”, and the context of all the artwork, particularly the first series, was the early days of the pandemic and lockdown

I will have to chase it up. I really enjoyed Philip Mould’s Art in Isolation and was impressed that a number of the pieces he collected were by women artists.

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 20:21

Thanks @Joyous

SideBob · 27/07/2023 20:36

QueenCamilla · 27/07/2023 12:06

On the flip side, there's a huge issue with boys not taking art at gcse and alevel

Hm, that doesn't seem to be a barrier to any young man deciding to push his wares in the art world? I'd have to find a more worthy cause to worry about.

As someone who loves art and did GCSE, the idea that we should be encouraging more children to take art is bonkers.

Taking it at A-Level and beyond limits your choices. We do not need more people doing it. But it's a wonderful talent to have.

IveHadItUpToHere · 27/07/2023 20:42

Not to disparage sausage's opinion but they can close their eyes, both literally and metaphorically, to work from female artists if they choose. Their views are irrelevant to the facts regarding the exclusion of female artists from galleries.

Thanks for the petition and for all that you do OP.

EBearhug · 28/07/2023 22:13

If anyone goes to Dulwich for Berthe Morisot, they also have a room of Mary Beale portraits from the later 17th century. She made the money by painting and her husband supported her in doing so.

ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 29/07/2023 08:40

'What we are told is 'great art' is hugely governed by what the directors of public galleries and acquisition committees decide to buy. When we don't see paintings by women, I hold them far more responsible than a medieval guild for women's under representation in public galleries.'

Exactly, which is what we're trying to do with our petition.
It's amazing that galleries funded by the dept of Culture media and sport are not required to address inequality in representation. Galleries funded by the Arts Council, however, are. We want DCMS to change their policy, so if you care about this, and it looks like many of you do, please do sign the petition!
https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

Sign the Petition

Tell government we want more art by women on our gallery walls!

https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

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MaybeDoctor · 29/07/2023 09:00

Great thread, which has inspired me to get up to the National Portrait Gallery soon.

On the subject of boys (and girls?) taking art at A-Level and beyond, there was an interesting report a few years ago which found that a fine-art degree was the only degree that had a negative impact on post-graduation earnings. You were less employable for having studied it!

I will look for the link.

ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 29/07/2023 11:33

OP, sounds like a really interesting campaign. Is there a newsletter, or something?

Thanks! We have a website www.artforallbyall.org and we're on Twitter @ art for all by all and @ barbie reports
And we're keeping everyone updated via the petition site

Art for all, by all

http://www.artforallbyall.org

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ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 29/07/2023 12:27

I really enjoyed Philip Mould’s Art in Isolation and was impressed that a number of the pieces he collected were by women artists.

Yes, he did a great exhibition last summer of Sarah Biffin, previously pretty unknown. https://philipmould.com/exhibitions/31-without-hands-the-art-of-sarah-biffin/ Private collectors like him could have a huge impact on creating markets for women artists.

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Dissidente · 29/07/2023 12:37

MaybeDoctor · 29/07/2023 09:00

Great thread, which has inspired me to get up to the National Portrait Gallery soon.

On the subject of boys (and girls?) taking art at A-Level and beyond, there was an interesting report a few years ago which found that a fine-art degree was the only degree that had a negative impact on post-graduation earnings. You were less employable for having studied it!

I will look for the link.

Something about the leisure activities of the wealthy not paying well.
Or that people in (I guess the UK) don't value the work of young living artists. That's a problem across the arts - music, literature, dance, theatre, but maybe art is worse.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/07/2023 12:43

For those interested in women’s art, that haven’t come across it, I recommend women’s art on twitter - can’t link as MN is seeing it as error so will need to search under “at..womensart1”
all media
all centuries
really nice stream

what twitter can be at its best…

LlynTegid · 29/07/2023 14:20

Dulwich Picture Gallery has an exhibition of works by the Impressionist painter Berthe Morisot currently. Very worth visiting.

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