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Telegraph: No 10 drafts laws to ban children from changing gender in school

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Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:21

Downing Street is drawing up laws to ban children from changing their gender identity in school, The Telegraph has learnt.
Primary legislation is being prepared ahead of the King’s Speech in November as Rishi Sunak seeks to reset his agenda with policies thought to be supported by many parents.
The Government is planning to amend the Equality Act 2010 so that it can publish stricter transgender guidance for schools.
The legislation would be introduced in the next session.
A Whitehall source said that one option being considered is to amend Section 7 of the Equality Act (Gender Reassignment) by stating that it only applies to people with a gender reassignment certificate.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/22/no-10-ban-children-change-gender-schools/

No 10 drafts laws to ban children from changing gender in school

Legislation being prepared ahead of the King’s Speech in November as Rishi Sunak seeks policies thought to be supported by many parents

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/22/no-10-ban-children-change-gender-schools/

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/07/2023 16:26

This would be positive - and belatedly putting right the unforgivable actions of this government (via the DfE) in funding and enabling queer theory political activist groups to gaslight children in schools about being born in the wrong body and the joys of drugs and surgery as an antidote.

RealityFan · 22/07/2023 16:28

It's as if the Conservative Party might try and be the CONSERVEative Party again.

"Vote for us, we do what's it says on the tin."

nonman · 22/07/2023 16:30

Fabulous

Always4Brenner · 22/07/2023 16:32

About bloody time brilliant if acted 0n.

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:35

I just can't see this happening. I don't think the government have got the stomach for it.

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dcbc1234 · 22/07/2023 16:36

This is fantastic news. It also needs to be drafted in such a way that it protects all UK children not just those in England.

dcbc1234 · 22/07/2023 16:39

I think reshuffling Keegan may be necessary to stop her throwing spanners in the works. I am pretty sure most parents and grandparents want their kids to grow up free from gender woo indoctrination. It is a vote winner in the real world.

dcbc1234 · 22/07/2023 16:40

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:35

I just can't see this happening. I don't think the government have got the stomach for it.

Most voters want this.

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 16:40

dcbc1234 · 22/07/2023 16:39

I think reshuffling Keegan may be necessary to stop her throwing spanners in the works. I am pretty sure most parents and grandparents want their kids to grow up free from gender woo indoctrination. It is a vote winner in the real world.

Yes, she has to go. She is a spanner in the works.

AutumnCrow · 22/07/2023 16:48

Yes Keegan has to go. I also think Sunak needs to reshuffle Penny Mordaunt away from her current post as Leader of the House so that she doesn’t have any control of use of parliamentary time. She’s full on TWAW.

Tbh I would sack or demote the pair of them. Sick of listening to their nonsense and patronising drivel dressed up as posh Tory ‘common sense’. They are ideological liabilities and always have been. Ditto Nokes and Miller.

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:49

dcbc1234 · 22/07/2023 16:40

Most voters want this.

Yes I suspect that most voters don't want their children to be indoctrinated in schools.

But tweaking the EA PC of gender reassignment so that it only includes those with a GRC seems like quite a dramatic way to achieve that. There are even many GC feminists who have openly stated that they support the PC of GR in the EA2010 because it protects all TP against discrimination. Personally I think there will be widespread outrage to any suggestion that this PC is adjusted in any way. It will be portrayed as the rolling back of trans rights in general which I guess it is because those TP who do not have a GRC would be vulnerable to discrimination on the basis of identifying as trans.

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Screamingabdabz · 22/07/2023 16:50

This would certainly solve a whole heap of shit.

bellinisurge · 22/07/2023 16:50

Doesn't need legislation. Code of Practice/Formal guidance would do the job.
And no kid should be transitioned at school.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/07/2023 16:55

Whatever. I've heard it so many times before. Deeds, not words.

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:56

Sex matters are not impressed. Think I'm inclined to agree with them...

https://twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1682774597383405569

Telegraph: No 10 drafts laws to ban children from changing gender in school
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Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:57

bellinisurge · 22/07/2023 16:50

Doesn't need legislation. Code of Practice/Formal guidance would do the job.
And no kid should be transitioned at school.

I don't really understand why this can't be effectively dealt with under current legislation.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 22/07/2023 17:01

Me too @Signalbox.

Froodwithatowel · 22/07/2023 17:04

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/07/2023 16:55

Whatever. I've heard it so many times before. Deeds, not words.

That. Make things happen ffs. This mess has happened due to politicians sitting with their thumbs up their bums muttering about 'it's complicated' for a decade, and look what's happened?

And yes, the other politicians wouldn't have been sitting around muttering, they'd have been enthusiastically contributing to the disasters in progress.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/07/2023 17:16

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:57

I don't really understand why this can't be effectively dealt with under current legislation.

You'd have thought that safeguarding guidance, political impartiality legislation and an awareness of how social contagion operates amongst vulnerable children would have been enough for schools, unions, the DfE, Ofsted & the government to see off queer theory groups targeting young children. But as evidence shows, it didn't.
Of course no legislation can stop what's going on inside the hormonal soup of a vulnerable child's head. But something must happen to make educators wake up to the damage they've inflicted on vulnerable children by aiding and abetting adult queer theory groups to dabble in school policy and practice.

DrBlackbird · 22/07/2023 17:17

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:35

I just can't see this happening. I don't think the government have got the stomach for it.

This would be my concern. Make a verbal commitment, drag their heels, find some reason for why that can’t go ahead (legal challenges etc) and then wait for the GE, say that if re elected that’s what they’ll do knowing that they are not going to get re elected….

Meanwhile, Labour, Lib Dem and Green leadership, all parties I’ve voted for previously just seem so incredibly and deliberately obtuse on this issue. Swept along in the self congratulatory fuzzy feeling of being righteously kind. Only not to women or children.

More importantly, if Labour leadership persistently and stubbornly refuses to understand and acknowledge the importance of this issue for women’s rights and children’s safeguarding because a) they never gave the wider implications a moment’s thought in the first place and b) feel they cannot backtrack because doing so will make them look ‘weak’, then what else will they screw up on by refusing to reflect on and accept the necessary evidence as it unfolds more clearly?

Starmer is odd in that he is trying hard to project pragmatism rather than ideology and yet is so firmly ideologically wed to this one issue. I am politically homeless..

PorcelinaV · 22/07/2023 17:17

bellinisurge · 22/07/2023 16:50

Doesn't need legislation. Code of Practice/Formal guidance would do the job.
And no kid should be transitioned at school.

We already have legislation that children shouldn't be indoctrinated, and it seems that some teachers just ignore the law.

So I doubt guidance is good enough.

RealityFan · 22/07/2023 17:28

Agreed. You can't control their "gender" anymore than you can their favourite colours, animals, football teams, pop stars.

But you can control how they're addressed in schools, and critically how other children are expected to interact with them.

In my best friends' school, their two 12 and 15 year old sons have been told there are a few M>F trans, the new gendered IDs must be accepted by everyone, the new "girls" must be addressed as such, any dissent or unfriendliness is transphobia, using the "old" name and gender is out, highest sanctions reserved. Other than that, nada, the kids (and their parents picking up the chaos) will have to work it out for themselves.

Well, guess what? The kids were always known as gay, but there was little homophobic abuse. However now these boys are "girls", the anti gay chants are prevalent, indeed there's quite the undercurrent of homophobia, my friends' boys say it's actually quite toxic, very little of this in evidence previously.

How is any of this helping? The kids reverting to type to apply playground justice when their group instincts are interfered with. The pupils at the centre probably even more unhappy. Reality basically denied by authorities.

And the school/teachers deserve sympathy too. They're just given directives by their trust, local authority, DfE. And a slew of activist propaganda by whatever Stonewall equity group has been foisted in them.

rogdmum · 22/07/2023 17:28

Signalbox · 22/07/2023 16:57

I don't really understand why this can't be effectively dealt with under current legislation.

I don’t understand either.

I’d also need to know the framing of a complete ban, but on the surface I don’t support that anymore than I support automatic affirmation.

In theory I don’t object to tweaking the EA, but I think the govt needs to fully understand other potential ramifications of a tweak specifically meant for schools. Not understanding wider implications is what got us into this mess in the first place (well, it was intentional by those driving it but not by many voting for it)

rogdmum · 22/07/2023 17:29

However, any changes to the EA would also impact Scottish schools and I AM looking forward to ScotGov’s meltdown over this!

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