Helen Joyce with Megyn Kelly: I could never imagine such depravity

[TheSandgroper]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNw9j-Oeaa8&pp=ygULSGVsZW4gam95Y2U%3D

I’m sorry. I don’t know how to take clips. Go to 55 minutes in.

He wants to be the first transwoman to a) have a uterus transplant. b). Get pregnant via sex so that c) he can be the first transwoman to have an abortion.

I feel sick.

I haven’t watched the clip yet as it’s a bit much in the middle of the night. I’m just lost for words. I can’t imagine anyone having this as a goal.

It is absolutely sickening. However it is not rare. I am sure someone will come through with the name but one of the prominent self appointed social media influenced males who are trans expressed this fantasy on twitter a couple of years ago.

We then noticed more of them.

Misogyny on HRT steroids

Sick

And yet still people will defend it.

I'd seen that abortion clip already but watched again and actually what I'd seen hadn't been the whole monologue so I'm actually glad you posted it. In the extended version shown here it seems like the abortion-wanter (AW) is actually becoming slightly breathless talking about it.

The way the AW talks about the surgical process of uterus transplantation it's also clearly a moment of erotic fantasy - the tone of voice isn't how you'd refer to going under the knife.

WTAF it's not ok to say this is a mental illness is beyond me. I don't say that to stigmatise, but because when somethings classed as an illness there are studies on it to trace origins and find help. I suspect that there isn't help, in the same way there's no solution to those attracted to children. But the idea that this person is having mentally healthy thoughts, which aren't just thoughts because they're voluntarily (so I suspect another erotic moment) filmed and posted online, is simply impossible to believe.

That foetid fantasist is too late to be the first. Lili Elbe was the first - and, so far, only - documented case of a uterus being transplanted into a male adult human.

when somethings classed as an illness there are studies on it to trace origins and find help

When sexologists try and study these things to get to the origins, their studies are retracted and the activists try and destroy them.

And that didn't end well did it

Predictably.....

It's less the fantasy of having a uterus which is gross enough but more about the fantasy of being impregnated for the purpose of having an abortion which is so disgusting.

@WilkinsonM Exactly. I read other recent thread on this board about not caring about possibility if birth defects if taking testosterone but the whole intentional abortion thing has me aghast.

WTAF? This has turned my stomach.

He won't need an abortion because the foetus would almost certainly die. He would probably die too if he found a doctor mad enough to attempt the surgery, so he is lucky that the whole scenario is science fiction.

Attention seeking bollocks, man is sick, but this isn’t exactly the 9oclock news is it? Stop trolling YouTube for this shit, you’re just encouraging them.

It's less the fantasy of having a uterus which is gross enough but more about the fantasy of being impregnated for the purpose of having an abortion which is so disgusting.

Hence 'foetid'.

Women have been told they shouldn't talk about their miscarriage or abortion, because it excludes transwomen...

On the contrary, I believe this should be exposed.

watching from the beginning

helen is so good

the US is a very different place

Megyn Kelly keeps saying mostly sensible and interesting things and then segueing into a weird rant about 'liberal social media'. I find her likeable in the way I find Julia Hartley Brewer likelable. Doubtless she has some views I'd find startlingly odd

Same. I enjoy that bolshy take-no-prisoners attitude, even if I don’t align with all their opinions and takes. Megan’s strength is her rage and Julia has this incredibly rum sort of humour. Such a nice respite from all the nodding along.

To be honest I felt sad watching that mentally ill, pornsick young man. God, imagine being his mum.

Old fashioned depravity (you know, where you actually went outside and took drugs and slept with people) at least had a certain glamour, the social media variety just seems endlessly lonely. Broadcasting your fantasies alone in your room.

The problem is that this doesn't come from just some squalid little corner of the Internet.
These are the people influencing diversity and equality policies across large corporations and in government. They're the ones getting pseudoscience into the NHS and persuading the charitable sector that women's rights are transphobic. It needs exposure.

Really sick. And he's prepared to admit to this in public!

Exactly. If only we could just ignore these people. Once upon a time we lived in a world where the personal fantasies and fetishisms of individuals were just that. Now we're being compelled to go along with them and bend over backwards to accommodate them and have them exposed to children as if it's the most normal thing.

Haven't heard the term for a while, but a while back Glinner was making the point that these are "central outliers". From that 2020 piece:

While I have much sympathy for ‘Aimee’ Challenor as a clear victim of grooming from a very young age, I also see him as one of the best examples of what I call ‘central outliers’, those individuals within trans rights activism we are told are figments of our imagination, or so rare as to be almost irrelevant, and yet can be found again and again, often in positions where they hold far too much influence.

Challenor’s story is disturbing, strange and sad, but then so were the stories of Eric Joyce, Jess Bradley, The NSPCC, and Morgan Page

Eric Joyce mocked safeguarding concerns even as he embodied the need for safeguarding. The NUS promised an investigation into Jess Bradley and then just sort of, uhm, forgot about it. The NSPCC blocked anyone who complained about their handling of the James Makings/Monroe Bergdorf scandal. The man behind ‘Overcoming The Cotton Ceiling’ is a Stonewall ‘leader’.

That moment is particularly awful but aside from that, the whole interview is very much worth watching. Thank you for posting.

The only important thing I'd say was missing is an exploration the huge uptick in adolescent girls identifying as trans, rejecting their female bodies for a multitude of reasons. However, there simply wouldn't have been time to cover all of the nuances within this topic without cutting down on what was explored in this interview. The interview covers a fantastic base layer of information - and the door has been left open for a follow-up discussion.

Great journalism on both their parts. I've read before that Megyn Kelly holds some controversial views on some issues. I don't expect my own opinion to align perfectly with someone else's (a topic which is covered well in this interview regarding free speech) but I'm happy to comment specifically on this piece of journalism and call it excellent.

I've just watched the whole thing. Helen is just wonderful to listen to.

That clip about the uterus transplant and the rest of what he said shows how far this has gone our of control that he felt so at ease and so comfortable being able to declare one of the strangest of sexual fantasies (because that's what it is), to the public with no fear of ridicule or censure from a large swathe of people.