parkrun stat - 130 first places.

[WomaninBoots]

Just seen this linked elsewhere and am wondering how this statistic was figured out?

https://twitter.com/mytw68/status/1682304791916027907

Can anyone tell me?

Before I get too grumpy, over and above base level grump at parkrun for allowing self-ID.

Why would Sharron Davies do that?

I think she mentioned it in passing during her Triggernometry interview and the people discussing this on the Facebook parkrun stats group said that Mara Y has been quoting it too.

I need to go back to the Triggernometry and check what she said. I might have mentally inserted the 130 stat because I watched the interview and saw the stat on the same day and could have super-imposed.

Yes people are responsible for their own fact checking but it's not good when they are a "spokesperson" in a way. I'm just trying to be honest about the effects I worry this could have, not saying anyone would be justified in disregarding true things because the same person said a false thing... but people will.

And it all goes away of soneone can show hoe the stat was arrived at and what it actually means and that it isn't bullshit.

I need to go back to the Triggernometry and check what she said. I might have mentally inserted the 130 stat because I watched the interview and saw the stat on the same day and could have super-imposed.

Yes, she mentioned Park Run, and said there was a widespread problem, but wasn't that specific.

But things like Park Run - Park Run are allowing people to identify however they want and course records - women's course records - are falling every single weekend across the UK. So why wouldn't Park Run introduce extra boxes for people to tick? I don't get it.

You know, it's an easy thing to do. People go online to log in and to join up - and I want more people doing that, I think it's a fabulous event. But why should women be losing their records to people that are male? Why can't we just have a box that says "transgender woman" and "transgender men" and you have a transgender women's record and a transgender men's record, and a women's record and a man's record, and an under-tens record and, you know, a masters' record or whatever.

But they're not doing that. They're just allowing people to self-ID and of course again it's women that will lose out constantly.

I think I superimposed Sharron D saying the 130 stat in my memory but she did say "women's records are falling every single weekend" on the bit I've found.

Thanks Necessary, cross post. I see you are ready armed with a transcript. I was watching the whole bliddy thing again. 🤣

I was convinced she'd mentioned the number in that segment. She didn't say it in a different bit earlier on?

They've probably bragged about cheating on their social media pages tbh.

What I predict happening is parkrun removing records and categories and listing results in order altogether.

Sadly I think that might be the way they go as well. I hope not. Being inclusive includes those at the elite and faster end as well and they should be able to enjoy their successes.

I was convinced she'd mentioned the number in that segment. She didn't say it in a different bit earlier on?

I didn't actually watch the whole thing again - I used the cunning technique of searching the YouTube auto-transcript, then cleaned that up for posting.

From that search, I'm pretty certain there were no other mentions.

I'm really upset about this.

I strongly believe the parkrun categories etc should be sex-based. Absolutely 💯 %. If they aren't then men get to race fairly and women have to settle for it being a personal time trial (which is what it is meant to be obvs but it also looks and quacks like a race and that has value for people too.) So a different offering for each sex... not fair.

However, I cannot get behind making up bullshit stats to try and prove the point. And I don't know how or where I express that. The people on the stats Facebook page are basically saying that is not possible to have done this analysis on the available data. So unless one of the people who is making this claim actually comes out with some details then it has to be taken as bullshit.

Why are you upset? People post on twitter that 9/11 never happened, that the holocaust is a myth
There are worse made up 'facts' posted literally every day.

People who say 9/11 never happened aren't using that bullshit to try and argue for something I'm passionate about and thus making it easier to dismiss my point of view as "toxic, shit stirring and culture warring".

However I think I might be alone in giving a shit here so I'm going to go back off under my rock and hope it blows over. I just really wanted to know where it had come from and for it not to be a load of crap and I'm disappointed.

I mean, on the plus side, if it's not true, then it means 130 real-life women might not have been deprived of their first place results.

But obviously the potential is definitely there since that's Parkrun's policy anyway.

Now that would be a shame. In my first ever parkrun, having taken up running only a few weeks earlier... I won in my category! OK so I didn't beat a cast of thousands - there were only a few women in my age group that day - but having always been rubbish at sport it was a real boost to "win" something.

I’m totally with you on that front. It was delving into claims by those supporting transgender rights and finding them to be unsupported or blatantly untrue that made me gender critical. I can totally see how bullshit stats about the damage transwomen can do to women could undermine the fight against TRAs and trans ideology.

However many men there are claiming women’s records in any sport, what sort of satisfaction can it possibly bring those male “winners”?

If ever Sadiq Khan’s “Maaaate” was appropriate, it’d be in instances like this.

”Maaaate, you won a WOMEN’S race, I’d shut the fuck up if I were you.”

"However many men there are claiming women’s records in any sport, what sort of satisfaction can it possibly bring those male “winners”?"

Ray Blanchard@BlanchardPhD
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Jan 28, 2022 I and other clinicians have noted an element of exhibitionism in many (although not all) cases of autogynephilia. I think this is one reason why some natal male gender dysphorics insist on participating in women's competitive sports.

If one conceptualizes “understanding” as something like “empathy,” it will not take you very far in comprehending autogynephiles. Their emotions and cognitions do not map readily onto those of non-autogynephiles.

Ah, thanks, that makes sense.

You're not alone, it is important to be factually accurate.
Did the FB group bloke get any response to the query?

From stats you can see a wider picture but individual events can be exceptions - there's a biological female, with xx chromosomes who has come first at the parkrun I used to do pre covid (have since moved) it annoyed my friend no end who was beaten just by her (he's very competitive, beaten by a girl really got him!) Because it's an all comers event you can get cases like this (I happen to know she represented England in her youth, she's really fast)

Yes. Essentially that it would be pretty much impossible to pull that stat from the (publically) available data. However, someone also did a random sample on the linked first finishers list, large enough that a few transwomen, well people who had run their first race as male but were now running as female, should have shown up if there was actually 130 out there and they got none. It basically looks pretty much like the stat is made up, noone washable to replicate it anyway.

And a lot eye-rolling about "T*RFs" and "culture warring" and "shit-stirring".

I was so sure that the women who had come up with the stat would be on here to enlighten us! That's why I asked here.

Louise Small achieved the ladies course record at Teignmouth today. Such a shame she didn't go to Parke, just down the road, and take the female course record back for the females. I wanted to say something on the Teignmouth course FB page like "congratulations - can you go to Parke when you are next in South Devon and get the course record there, too".

For those who don't know, Louise is an elite female runner, not as speedy as the likes of Eilish McColgan, but she's pretty decent!