Stonewall: Lower the Temperature

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https://news.sky.com/story/lower-the-temperature-stonewall-chair-calls-for-end-to-megaphone-diplomacy-around-trans-rights-debate-12924483

Maya Forstater is asking the questions as to where the power in Stonewall really lies as the statement that they released moved them firmly back to the 'no debate' position

And it's an excellent question. Who is pulling the strings, it's not the chair, the chief exec has gone, so who is making decisions and setting direction?

Also why do companies and gvt departments still take advice from stonewall, they are a mullion miles away from the organisation they once were.

This is the part that Sunak is going to have to find the guts to face.

There is no point whatsoever in making law, if you as law makers are permitting a tinpot group of extremists to run the country via direct pressure, incentives, misinformation and marketing, and to ignore and subvert your laws. If that's what you're going to permit happen then really what's the point of the HoC and paying all those MPs?

That is what Kier Starmer's " We need to build a consensus" amounts to as well.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are

So basically when Labour get in, they will railroad everyone claiming it's consensus and ignore all concerns from women and other minorities.

At least we know where we stand: men decide what a woman is.

All of this stuff is just to stop women speaking

Whether it’s lower the temperature, no one is talking about it, moral panic, culture war, bigot, dinosaur, decapitate them, or a punch in the face

It’s just dialling the approach up and down but it’s the same thing. Men trying to silence women.

Plus some women go for it too, but mostly men in power welding that

Unfortunately there are very many women promoting this ideological stance too - which is how they manage to suggest that anyone who disagrees and pushes back is just a fringe lunatic and exrtemist - out of touch with what most women think.

I do think that trans ideology is the end point of a certain branch of feminism - where sexed differences are entirely socially constructed - and whose version of female liberation is to behave, and do, exactly as men do.

Writing that list I just thought how pronounced the difference is

Woman state you can’t change sex, and say no to not having single sex spaces

We get mangled language and violence back

Plain English and biological facts v 1984 style language and violence

The Martin Pontin case is interesting, because under the ‘right to be forgotten’ rules it’s almost impossible to find anything about his offending that links to his new trans identity as Jessica. How very convenient for all those sex offenders when safeguarding procedures are being shot to pieces by all the special trans arrangements. Including those for criminal records disclosure and barring. 🙄

I'm not sure 'who we are' is the same as who is calling the shots in stonewall

No, but interesting to look at their profiles and see what they are up to, nontheless.

Who do you think is calling the shots?

In the middle of that long screed, which includes the implication that transw are banned from sport, was this:

Although we dearly wish that no single-sex spaces wished to exclude trans women, trans men or non-binary people, we also recognise that, for the minority of spaces that want to, "it is probably not a particularly safe service for those trans people to access.*

So, he's lying to pretend that transw are in mortal danger from women. Many people will hear, or read that and believe it as fact.

"Can't go in? Don't want to, it'ssss dangerousssss! Narstee little wimminses!"

FFS!

You sometimes see people blaming conservative thinking, so belief that gender and gender roles are tied to biology.

I'm not sure how fair that is, when conservatives presumably believe in a real link between biology and gender. So men are just naturally different to women.

What does trans ideology believe? That it's all a social construct, and yet they nevertheless may want to imitate biology of the social construct?

Maybe you could blame conservatives for upholding the gender difference ideas in the first place, but the ideological connection is weak imo.

It's gaslighting on acid.

Men forcing themselves into women only spaces, makes it risky for the men.

Genuinely no idea, but its not the chair, and it's not the CEO. Nancy left last week ahead of her scheduled leaving date.

They appear to be a rudderless ship lacking any leadership, I guess that would allow special interest groups like the trans advisory group to have more power and influence than they should or pressure could be becoming from the outside.

I was going to suggest it might be coming from the Stonewall Trans Advisory Group and was going to post a link.

However and strangely though there are lots of mentions of the group remain on the Stonewall website, the links no longer work

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

According to some TRAs I saw on Twitter, it has been disbanded. So exactly who is running the show?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Perhaps one of our monitors could do us a favour by giving us their take on what is going on.

Always telling when they fail to rock up

Who do you think is calling the shots?

Certain donors?

I am of the view that there are differences between the sexes which are rooted in biology and its consequences; though these differences exist on a spectrum according to individual make-up, background, culture and so on. It would be naive to think that humans are the only creatures which have no inherent sexed differences.

The view that says that all differences are only social in origin - is what motivates many younger women, I think. They have been brought up in a world in which the gains made in the realm of public represenation and legal rights are taken for granted.

If only men would be more like women, or care as much about the newborn baby, or care as much about the details of housework then women would be liberated ...and so on...and we'd all be 'equal'. We'd no longer be 'women'.

i think a lot of women resent the conditions associated with their biology and would like to be free of them. They see theemselves as being entirely separate to their body and their biology; somehow detached from it. I think that is what motivates Someone like Caroline notes, who is full on TWAW.

I recall trying to speak with a couple of young women on the promenade near my home once. I was giving out WPUK leaflets. One of women had a very young baby with her.Sshe thrust the leaflet back at me very firmly - saying " being a woman is all in the mind". I suggested that "no; it was all in the body" and pointed out she had just had a baby - and it was her that was with that baby - not her male partner.

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