Apology to who?

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Gays and lesbians in the services getting a bit of coverage, on ITV news it was presented as LGBT issue when we all know it was gay men and lesbians. As usual, the acronym obscures the reality. I hope the compensation will be paid sooner than the Windrush people and the 50s women who lost our pensions have to wait

Pretty sure bisexual people existed then too.

But presumably they could claim to be heterosexual if caught.

People were investigated and dismissed for lesbian and gay relationships.

There was a lot of cross dressing of course - but it was celebrated as being camp & entertainment. I don't believe that any men or women in the forces claimed to be the opposite sex and were dismissed as such (although no doubt within 24 hours there'll be the usual centring of trans issues) 🙄

Same nonsense on C4. Only interviewing lesbians and gays though.

Yes, and some of them were bisexual.

Do you have personal experience Anotherchristianmama?

Of weather there were bisexuals in the military?

Yes, or if you personally were sacked for bisexuality?

No, but do you really think that none of the people who were sacked for being in same sex relationships were bisexual?

I’m glad they’re getting the apology as well as compensation in due course (we’re led to assume).

But there seems to have been some relative fast-tracking (I stress relative) when compared to how long the poor bastards who got infected with US-sourced blood products have (still) had to wait.

I don’t think the loss of a career, shitty and backward as that was, really compares to contracting deadly diseases at the hands of a Government agency.

At least the service men and women had the option to keep their sexuality quiet. And they knew what the policy was on joining - it wasn’t kept from them. Where’s the apology in Parliament for the infected and deceased?

Whilst it has become fashionable to speak as if people were discriminated against for being gay, in reality punishments were targeted against homosexual behaviours. Abstract identities had nothing much to do with it, and you weren't likely to get away with having a homosexual relationship just because your other relationships were heterosexual.

I saw a bbc interview yesterday with a transwoman who has openly served in the military, and they were talking in behalf of their LGB colleagues on this subject. Wasn’t sure whether this was an example of T being conflated with LGB again - it wasn’t clear to me whether the original issue included people who were forced to leave the military because they were “transsexual” (as it would have been known at the time). In which case fair enough that they were speaking on the topic.

I saw a bbc interview yesterday with a transwoman

I saw this and assumed that they became trans after military service. I suspect, though someone in the military could clarify, that they wouldn't have passed the medical.

At least the service men and women had the option to keep their sexuality quiet. And they knew what the policy was on joining - it wasn’t kept from them. Where’s the apology in Parliament for the infected and deceased?

Have you wandered onto the wrong thread.

You could easily start a thread about contaminated blood if you think it is that important. Or did you intentionally come on here to be mean spirited and dismissive.

As to your absurd remark about why join up if you are gay, many signed up at a time when they were probably hiding from themselves that they were gay / lesbian or could just as likely thought they wanted that career and weren't going to allow military bigotry to stop them.

Many, such as Kelly Homes, got through their military service. But would have had a better experience without the threat of being caught out. I suspect many were in fact reported by colleagues for some unknown personal agenda.

Apology is long overdue, and my only quibble is that current fashion means that the PM referred to the whole rainbow soup and not those actually discriminated against, LGB.

Exactly Iwanttoretire

Another example of muscling in and making everything about them.

That was because at the time most people didn’t believe that bisexual people existed. If you were bisexual and in a same sex relationship, that relationship was called gay or lesbian accordingly.

Don't be daft. Everyone knew bisexuality was a thing. The straight part of bisexuality was not an issue. The homosexual part was and was what they were investigated for.
That's the bit that got them into prison and off the forces.

No, it was this person and they served after transitioning. https://lgbt-speakers.com/speaker/caroline-paige. It seems Caroline has had a distinguished military career and I don’t wish to detract from that, just wasn’t sure about the scope of the apology regarding LGB members of the military, and whether it include trans folk.

Having skimmed the actual government report, it talks about the context of the pre-2000 ban on homosexuality in the military, but the investigation was into the experience of LGB and T veterans which would have included folk like Caroline. So it was entirely relevant for Caroline to be interviewed and I think the fault lay with the interviewer who talked about gay veterans. Caroline’s sexuality was never mentioned, nor would I expect it to be relevant now I understand the full scope of the government investigation.

The sarcastic side of me thinks this is a journey in mental gymnastics.
But I think I'll concentrate on the article and just identify that that's scope creep which is also what is being pointed out by op.

Honestly it seems that nothing can be for actual homosexual people without some people having to make it about other groups.

“But what about the bisexuals?”
polling shows the vast majority of bisexual identified people are in heterosexual relationships if they are in a relationship.

“But what about the people exposed to awful chemicals? The gays knew what they were getting into”
Well actually most enlisted service personnel enlist when they are in their late teens, 18/19. Often they hadn’t known themselves to be gay at the time.