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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MichelleScarn · 05/07/2023 10:12

So this is the people that put 'rubber suit, work bathroom wanker' (nb not a slur, his actual activities) as priority over vulnerable children again?

Jezzz · 05/07/2023 10:18

The campaign’s supporters include Chief Executives of charities including Teenage Cancer Trust, The Children’s Society, VoiceAbility, and Catching Lives, as well as NCVO, CharityComms and Co-op Foundation.

There's a list of sorts on this page:
http://charitysostraight.org.uk/

Charity So Straight: Stand With Trans

Campaigning to make charity workplaces more LGBTQIA+ friendly and inclusive

http://charitysostraight.org.uk

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Rightsraptor · 05/07/2023 10:19

It seems like it's just getting off the ground. I can't see any list of fools who have joined up to it yet, but no doubt that will come.

Sadly, it seems to be aimed at small charities and those are the ones now that get my money. I'll be watching with interest to see who they suck in.

Mini Stonewall.

Rightsraptor · 05/07/2023 10:21

Oh, I see the list - thanks Jezz.

Susie Green and Helen Webberley are there - who'd have guessed?

Ingenieur · 05/07/2023 10:30

So is this initiative "the T without the LGB"?

Kucinghitam · 05/07/2023 10:43

Ingenieur · 05/07/2023 10:30

So is this initiative "the T without the LGB"?

This, you'll find, is a noncommutative algebraic equation WinkGrin

ThisTimeIts · 05/07/2023 11:08

Rightsraptor · 05/07/2023 10:19

It seems like it's just getting off the ground. I can't see any list of fools who have joined up to it yet, but no doubt that will come.

Sadly, it seems to be aimed at small charities and those are the ones now that get my money. I'll be watching with interest to see who they suck in.

Mini Stonewall.

Group think.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/07/2023 11:13

If you're a small charity refusing to sign up to this - imagine the pile on from the trans extremists.
Alternatively imagine the increased income from the majority of the population relieved to find a charity openly centring children and their safety rather than the demands of an increasingly unhinged and intolerant sexual politics lobby.

SinnerBoy · 05/07/2023 11:52

What a lot of nauseating, hyperbolic cack the signatories have spouted.

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 12:18

I now only support local charitable concerns, and one nationwide one, thankfully none of them browbeat me with the genderwoo mantra or the fake suicide ideation tropes.

I've come to the conclusion that there are a few things going on. First, that it's just easier to go with the flow, I mean who would want to risk sounding against LGBTQ+, or in any way happy to contribute to teens actually killing themselves, no matter that the stats for this are non existent? You'd be stupid to ask for trouble, and you'd be setting the wheels in motion for your board to call an AGM and demand your resignation. Who wants to be unemployed?

Second, that it's just a way to get that inner glow. You're not just an organisation doing good for the homeless and food banks etc, your designated purpose, you're also good on a more existential level, signifying your bonding with an exalted, golden, glittery group.
And your kinship with all other organisations doing the same.

The levels of altruism are off the scale.

What's so bogus about this, is I remember the deep criticism the likes of Christian Aid etc got in the past. They were also doing good works, but their social justice activism under the unmistakable banner of Christian ministry, was excoriated by the New Atheists of the day.

Today? The New Atheists are in hock with the new polemic. And woe betide any of us to go public and say to any woke messaging charity, that you believe in their cause, but you object to fake messaging on LGBTQ+. Because you'd never hear the last of it.

Jezzz · 05/07/2023 12:27

The Children's Society!

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Myalternate · 05/07/2023 12:29

Well that’s no more donations to any of those charities from me.

worrieddragon · 05/07/2023 12:35

I wonder if it's connected to the ongoing saga of the schools' trans inclusion guidance. Trans activist organisations must be in a right panic, because even the most 'trans activist friendly' of the likely outcomes is going to be a big step 'down' from their high point of issuing highly ideological guidance documents to schools and local authorities, and having them accepted as gospel/best practice. The Allsorts guidance from 2016/2018 (widely adopted, and then equally widely withdrawn) misrepresented the law and completely ignored the rights (tbh even the existence) of any other children. It could be summarised as 'If a child says they're trans, give them everything they want. Immediately. Don't tell their parents. And punish/reeducate anyone who asks questions'.

Whatever comes next, it's not going to be that.

Getting charities to make public statements of support like this, which are rather unspecific, will be a pretty effective way of cornering them into supporting much more specific demands later. But really, what is the Children's Society or Teenage Cancer Trust doing supporting a child's "right" to sleep in the opposite-sex dormitory on a school trip? Or be socially transitioned at school without their parents' knowledge? I think this whole campaign is a (very clever and effective) attempt to get reputable organisations to endorse a safeguarding disaster.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/07/2023 12:51

worrieddragon · 05/07/2023 12:35

I wonder if it's connected to the ongoing saga of the schools' trans inclusion guidance. Trans activist organisations must be in a right panic, because even the most 'trans activist friendly' of the likely outcomes is going to be a big step 'down' from their high point of issuing highly ideological guidance documents to schools and local authorities, and having them accepted as gospel/best practice. The Allsorts guidance from 2016/2018 (widely adopted, and then equally widely withdrawn) misrepresented the law and completely ignored the rights (tbh even the existence) of any other children. It could be summarised as 'If a child says they're trans, give them everything they want. Immediately. Don't tell their parents. And punish/reeducate anyone who asks questions'.

Whatever comes next, it's not going to be that.

Getting charities to make public statements of support like this, which are rather unspecific, will be a pretty effective way of cornering them into supporting much more specific demands later. But really, what is the Children's Society or Teenage Cancer Trust doing supporting a child's "right" to sleep in the opposite-sex dormitory on a school trip? Or be socially transitioned at school without their parents' knowledge? I think this whole campaign is a (very clever and effective) attempt to get reputable organisations to endorse a safeguarding disaster.

Wise comments. The Teenage Cancer Trust who must deal with countless young people facing the dilemma of brutal life saving chemotherapy to save a life versus the subsequent negative impact on their future fertility?

It just shows how captured some charities are that they can have such a fundamental ethical fail.

BettyFilous · 05/07/2023 12:59

Between this initiative and Good Law Project saying they’ll appeal, have interested parties indirectly let the cat out of the bag ahead of tomorrow’s Charity Commission judgement? I thought the GLP thing was odd, and this initiative has strengthened that feeling.

Floisme · 05/07/2023 13:09

The statements from those charities all look very general to me - I can't see anything there that I disagree with. It's the statement from the campaign itself that's much more specific and that talks about language and pronouns - that's where the focus should be I think.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 05/07/2023 13:42

There's something of an irony here, isn't there? I see the usual 'ultra right' accusations are being spouted - has anyone ever named these shadowy but poweful organisations?

Never before have we seen so much hatred directed at the trans and non-binary community. And never before has the American ultra-conservative transphobic movement influenced UK culture to the degree it is doing right now.
This transphobic movement represents a small but vocal minority. As part of their efforts to halt and roll back LGBTQIA+ inclusion in society at large, these fringe groups are attempting to erase our community from public life. And they are specifically targeting the trans and non-binary community first.

agent765 · 05/07/2023 15:51

"The world needs to show its gratitude to them"? Really?

The Kids Network needs to explain why we need to do this.

"Relentlessly attacked"? Can Oxfam explain how?

That list is full of priceless pearls of wisdom.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/07/2023 15:58

Initially I read this as Stand With Trains .

Surely, not, I thought, that would be dangerous.

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 16:02

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/07/2023 15:58

Initially I read this as Stand With Trains .

Surely, not, I thought, that would be dangerous.

I stood on a train yesterday. Rush hour.

Tinysoxx · 05/07/2023 22:09

My teenager has had long stays in hospital where she couldn’t bathe etc. She had some fantastic female nurses look after her.

Does this mean teenage cancer patients would have to have personal care by the opposite sex?

nothingcomestonothing · 05/07/2023 23:23

Tinysoxx · 05/07/2023 22:09

My teenager has had long stays in hospital where she couldn’t bathe etc. She had some fantastic female nurses look after her.

Does this mean teenage cancer patients would have to have personal care by the opposite sex?

The Teenage Cancer Trust don't provide the nurses that do the hands-on care, they're just good at taking credit for stuff provided by the NHS. They fund refurbs of wards so they are teen friendly - playstation, pool table etc- and they fund activity workers and specialist nurses who help young people understand their treatment plans, liaise with college etc. So young cancer patients will be given ward care by NHS nurses not Teenage Cancer Trust nurses. Not that that will help them, given that the NHS is totally captured and Annex B gives males with special feelings the right to be placed in female bays.

< Speaking from bitter personal experience both of the shameless self aggrandising Teenage Cancer Trust and shamefully captured NHS management>

TheBiologyStupid · 07/07/2023 10:35

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/07/2023 12:51

Wise comments. The Teenage Cancer Trust who must deal with countless young people facing the dilemma of brutal life saving chemotherapy to save a life versus the subsequent negative impact on their future fertility?

It just shows how captured some charities are that they can have such a fundamental ethical fail.

Yes, very disappointed with Teenage Cancer Trust in particular for signing up to this nonsense.

nothingcomestonothing · 07/07/2023 16:45

TheBiologyStupid · 07/07/2023 10:35

Yes, very disappointed with Teenage Cancer Trust in particular for signing up to this nonsense.

I'm pretty sure a Teenage Cancer Trust executive of some kind was previously at Mermaids, either that or Stonewall I can't remember which. A very small number of high up charity employees seem to move from one charity to another, spreading their special interests as they go...

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