Man charged after Isla Bryson alleges abuse in prison

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/police-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-clydebank-edinburgh-msps-b2367974.html

I'm sure many gender ideologues will say that this is why Isla Bryson needs to be in a women's prison. But actually (and setting aside Bryson's own abusive crimes for a moment), while it's horrible that anyone, trans or otherwise, suffers abuse, this was never women's problem to solve.

It's solely a men's issue - a male prisoner identifying as a woman and allegedly receiving abuse for it from other male prisoners and from staff is an issue for the men's prison to solve within their own estate.

All too often, women are called upon to solve men's problems for them, but housing Bryson in a male prison and forcing management to actually think through a solution themselves instead of passing the buck is exactly what should be happening.

It's inevitable that having to accommodate a trans prisoner will bring new issues and will require a lot of additional thought and problem-solving on the part of the prison. That's what it takes to accommodate trans people and it's tough luck if they happen to be under your remit.

It was a nice try on the part of the male prison to pretend to buy into transwomen's own purported inner sense of gender identity so deeply that they identified them all the way out of their care and into the women's prison, but that's not how real life works and people saw through it.

It's exactly the same issue with single-sex changing rooms and toilets - instead of pushing the issue onto women and shaming us into being accommodating to our own detriment, organisations need to accept that the issue of transphobia in men's bathrooms is a men's issue and a trans issue, not a women's issue.

This additional work that the men's prison now has to do to accommodate transwomen is exactly why it is so much more appealing to organisations to simply bully women into moving over and making room in their own single-sex spaces for transwomen. It takes work and extra resources to accommodate additional needs, and if there's a way to wriggle out of that and save money, organisations are going to take the easy road and bully women instead.

Well perhaps if he hadn't raped anyone he wouldn't be in this position now.

I also take the whole thing with a big pinch of salt. Men who are locked up in prison don't tend to be the kind of people who would be concerned about misgendering someone. Also, as other posters have said, violence in male prisons is not exactly unusual. I'm not saying it's acceptable but I feel that this is part of an agenda to get him moved back to a woman's prison. And also agree that there are a lot of vulnerable categories of men in prison. He should be treated no differently.

It’s a jail, not a holiday camp. It’s full of criminals. Rapists are quite high up on the list of ‘unpopular crimes’ What did this person expect exactly? Welcomed with open arms and get makeup lessons?

it’s a male problem to solve.

Exactly this. I’m not convinced Isla is seen as female by male inmates, but is instead seen as a violent rapist, which might not be popular around those parts.

He is a man in a male prison, when you get male criminals together there may be violence…the vulnerable ones are usually in a separate wing. But there are many violent men in those wings too.

Tough. There are many men who are likely more vulnerable - ex police, posh middle class, effeminate etc. This sounds to me like part of a campaign to lobby for this violent rapist MALE to be housed elsewhere i.e. the female estate. Of course he has to be the centre of attention and no one thinks about what he did to be in prison in the first place.🙄

A ‘hâte crime’….so they had run out of sugar, I suppose.

Bryson's issue is that female prisoners have human rights too.

Largely not to be assaulted and raped by him.

If his happiness depends on access to female bodies, he'd better come to terms with being permanently miserable.

Mind you, I'd add that Bryson probably has a case and I'm sure his lawyers will make the most of it: he was redirected from a women's prison at the last minute not because of any policy, but because the SNP and Sturgeon realised the negative publicity headed their way if they didn't redirect him.

There were other male prisoners in the women's estate with similar and worse histories, it was a purely self serving political decision and while I don't agree with any men in the women's estate, it was discriminatory.

Bryson deserves whatever it gets, if it doesn't like it then stick it in solitary to serve its sentence. And before anyone cries transphobia to me referring to Bryson as it, its because rapists are lower than dog shit on my shoe and deserve zero respect, not because of Bryson's gender identity.

@AlisonDonut my thoughts exactly.

Possibly, and I guess if they can keep (or make) prisons single-sex, we would eventually know.

Although given the way that transwomen are currently revered, and given recent public sector policy on the handling of gender identity as scared, I can imagine that even outside of gaining access to potential victims, there might be an appeal in being put in prison and having someone else control when you eat, when you sleep, etc but being able to maintain so much more control over one's situation than a non-trans prisoner in the same situation might be able to do (e.g. requesting special treatment, facilities, products, attention, etc).

Plus, it's probably a massive ego boost to know you've got hundreds of groupies on the outside fighting for your right to express your inner self.

Given that many of these criminals thrive on control and manipulation, I can see why identifying as trans might still carry a wide appeal even if access to women isn't part of the package. At least until the novelty wears off, anyway.

this is exactly right.

If the law says that a man having a hard time in the men's prison has the right to be in the women's prison, then that law is an ass must be repealed

This ^

He is inmate like any other and whatever happens in prisons, just happens. Pray to God to save souls and then not many will go to prison, because generally living a godly life always involves being a very good law abiding citizen.

Why? So they can feed on their fantasies together? Why not match up child abusers, terrorists, gang members (same gang only obviously), non trans rapists so they can all tell each other stories to boost their egos and normalise the actions that got them into prison in the first place. If prison is to even start rehabilitation prisoners need to have their mind sets challenged, not confirmed.

By all means house vunerable prisoners separately , but prison should not be the place to find mind buddies.

I meant in a separate wing for men who may be vulnerable to being attacked by other males.

Not an issue for women. This is up to the male prison service to provide a safe environment for transfer prisoners. It is not and should not be up to the women's service to provide this as the default, 'safer' option. This needs to be properly legislated and fixed in the male prisons service where these violent criminals are housed and should always continue to be housed.

Was that meant to be satire or do have you not read the news in the last decade or two? Though tbf I suppose 'godly' people have till fairly recently been better at institutionalised coverups than others.

Was that meant to be satire or do have you not read the news in the last decade or two?

The "godly" have been causing problems for longer than that, of course. During the crusades, and long before they had reached the Holy Land, Simon de Montford ordered his troops to kill the heretics. "But sire, how will we know the heretics from the true believers?" "Kill them all, God will know his own."

My bad, it was the papal legate Arnaud Amalric who ordered the massacre.

100% this

inkjet · 02/07/2023 12:01

I would be interested to know if abuse of other, non-trans prisoners is taken as seriously as these allegations were.

I'm going to speculate and say no, because prions aren't full of blokes doing 20 years of extra six month sentences for being threatening and abusive.

Insults and threats are part of everyday prison life. Why he's getting special treatment is no mystery, the Powers That Be worship at the altar of the cult of Trans.

As others have pointed out, he's a rapist and rapists are only one rung above paedophiles in prison (yes, I'm aware that they're both species of rapist).

There are entire prisons for sex offenders, so why they don't put him in one of those is very odd indeed.

But this is exactly what does happen in prisons. Child abusers, gang members etc are all held in the same wing