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How do I find out if a school is a 'Stonewall' school?

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OhForFucksFuckingSake · 30/06/2023 16:00

I've been on Safe Schools Alliance's website and I can't see a definitive list. Does anyone know if there's an east way of finding out?

I'm looking at potential secondary schools for my DD and was just reading the PHSE guidelines for one, where they described themselves as a 'Stonewall school'.

I just want to know what others in my area are aligned with Stonewall so I know which ones to avoid!

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WhyThatsDelightful · 30/06/2023 17:27

I have not been able to find one from over three years of looking. Stonewall have a list but won’t publish it anymore to protect their supporters from scrutiny.

My daughter’s now ex-secondary school wasn’t listed as a Stonewall school but uses a lot of observably Stonewall content such as language definitions, supported by local Stonewall clone charities. This was not made clear or published on their public or intranet sites, I only found out by digging and digging.

If you read a school’s published policies related to equality, bullying, mental health/wellbeing (particularly in the child focused sections), RSE, PSHE and you see language that asserts a use of language you don’t feel comfortable with, promotes external third parties or references actions the school will carry out or decisions they will make without qualified and regulated staff then it’s a Stonewall school in practical terms.

I’d recommend comparing GMC guidelines on Gillick communications and decision making against any Gillick or Fraser guidelines that show up directly in the school polices or as a reference to external operators to get an indication of the school’s support and status for your parental responsibility. Gillick is frequently used to evade parental responsibility, it’s a formal assessment that needs to be carried out by a registered HCP for a specific purpose.

I also found out that the local authority is a Stonewall schools champion or whatever, this is where the deluge of policy is poured into the all the local schools. It took an FOI request to find that out.

In summary the “Stonewall culture” is too furtive for trust to exist, this includes the lack of transparency on who’s paid up to make use of their services. I have to recommend keeping any child away from an organisation where this operates.

I hope your research into other schools is more positive for your family.

OhForFucksFuckingSake · 30/06/2023 17:51

Thank you for such a thorough reply. This is really helpful.

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WhyThatsDelightful · 30/06/2023 18:22

The core of their operating policy is to make sure you as a parent don’t have a clear, simple “no” written in published policy to hinder something they might want to do.

It’s pretty simple really.

They’ve been very successful at overriding the existence of clear, simple “no”’s that exist in language, law, govt education guidelines and professional clinical practice.

Imagine Just Stop Oil being given editorial rights to the Highway Code to get a perspective on what’s been going on in the shadows.

Thing is, having a clear, simple “no” is the starting point to build a trusting relationship.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 18:30

The school's regulator Ofsted were until last year a "stonewall diversity champion". Some diligent investigative reporting outed Stonewall demanding that Ofsted downgraded primary schools who failed to focus enough on gender identity and they left - hopefully embarrassed for being caught up in a protection racket.
Good luck with this OP. So much of it is behind the scenes, secretive and specifically targeting the young who lack the levels of critical thinking and can be more easily coercively controlled.

PurpleBugz · 30/06/2023 18:40

Look at their policies. My child's school has nothing anywhere I could see until I read the policies and saw it was very stonewall then they referenced stonewall as where to go for more information- think it was their bullying policy or maybe the equality policy or behaviour policy. All the policies made it clear voicing gender critical beliefs was bullying and carried a 2 day internal suspension

OhHolyJesus · 30/06/2023 18:57

Some schools include the SW logo on their letterhead - usually at the bottom where their partners are listed.

There will be an archive copy of that schools list, possibly even on a thread on this board so a search might turn it up, or it might be archived somewhere. It was significant when that page was removed. I hope you can find it! Please post it back here if you do.

Local education authorities can be FOI'd so you could try that.

OhHolyJesus · 30/06/2023 19:43

Someone did archive the page. Obviously not the most up to date but better than nothing!

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OhForFucksFuckingSake · 30/06/2023 20:13

Oh wow thanks. The school I'm looking at isn't actually on that list even though it says it's a stonewall school.

The pdf I downloaded from their website which says it's a stonewall school doesn't have a date on it. But when I clicked on the PSHE page it said it was under construction. So I wonder if the pdf is out of date and they've actually come to their senses?

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NeedToKnow101 · 30/06/2023 20:19

Don't schools have it on their websites? Ive worked at two colleges, and both have the Stonewall logo on their website.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 20:46

NeedToKnow101 · 30/06/2023 20:19

Don't schools have it on their websites? Ive worked at two colleges, and both have the Stonewall logo on their website.

As the flaws with the Stonewall protection racket are finally starting to filter down to schools (but oh so slowly given the capture of certain sections of the press) schools are discovering that allying with an organisation that openly campaigns to remove the rights of women and girls to privacy & safety from the opposite sex is not the unique selling point it pretends to be.

Well done OP and every parent who challenges this. Slowly we will extricate those who remove safeguarding from children under the guise of "inclusion" from schools.

tobee · 30/06/2023 21:04

"hopefully embarrassed for being caught up in a protection racket. "

Protection racket. This is the best description of Stonewall I've ever heard! Why did I not see it before?

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