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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Three women injured by non-binary male in Canadian rugby game

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 15:47

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-female-rugby-players-complain-trans-opponent-hits-too-hard

'This transgender player, known as Ash — said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female — stands about 5-foot-10 and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“We are women,” said a female player on the receiving end of a tackle. “It’s a whole other thing playing rugby against men.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said the player. “There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”.

WARMINGTON: Female rugby players complain trans opponent hits too hard

This veteran female rugby player who plays for the Stoney Creek Camels senior women’s team said she was hit so hard in a recent game it felt like it was a man delivering it. If this tackle in a game june 17th in Fergus had have come a year earlier, it...

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-female-rugby-players-complain-trans-opponent-hits-too-hard

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NotBadConsidering · 30/06/2023 10:13

Riley Gaines was on an opposing team to Thomas.

petitepeach · 30/06/2023 10:16

Why do these sorry excuses always want to participate in women’s professional sport?
I really don’t understand how they justify it to themselves and how people on the outside are trying to justify it and bloody normalise it!

Chersfrozenface · 30/06/2023 10:18

CruCru · 30/06/2023 10:05

I wonder how they got insurance for this game. It’s really hard (and expensive) to get insurance for mixed sex rugby.

It's possible that insurance companies are forced to insure such games as "women's rugby" because of Canada's batshit laws on self ID and discrimination on the grounds of gender identity and gender expression.

Hagosaurus · 30/06/2023 10:18

I wonder if there’s any health & safety legislation in Canada which could be used to challenge the governing body for specifying a set of standards where these injuries are so much more likely to happen? As pp said, make the penalties financial, and then change will quickly follow

CruCru · 30/06/2023 10:26

Chersfrozenface · 30/06/2023 10:18

It's possible that insurance companies are forced to insure such games as "women's rugby" because of Canada's batshit laws on self ID and discrimination on the grounds of gender identity and gender expression.

That’s true. I don’t know very much about Canadian insurance rules.

CruCru · 30/06/2023 10:27

Although it may mean that the premiums for women’s rugby insurance rise significantly overall. The insurers aren’t going to keep accepting loss making business.

Chersfrozenface · 30/06/2023 10:27

IADNAL, but I think Canadian health and safety legislation only applies to employees, so not to non-professional sport.

Chersfrozenface · 30/06/2023 10:31

CruCru · 30/06/2023 10:27

Although it may mean that the premiums for women’s rugby insurance rise significantly overall. The insurers aren’t going to keep accepting loss making business.

Which, of course, will be another blow to women's sport.

Besides the number of women who will no longer participate because they don't want to get injured or change and shower with a male-bodied person.

KP1992 · 04/07/2023 09:53

This reply has been deleted

We're taking this down to look behind the scenes. Thanks for all the reports.

SinnerBoy · 04/07/2023 13:26

Hagosaurus · 30/06/2023 10:18

I wonder if there’s any health & safety legislation in Canada which could be used to challenge the governing body for specifying a set of standards where these injuries are so much more likely to happen?

It's monstrous travesty that any of these blokes are allowed to injure women in the first place. Who knows what will happen? Canada seems to be so far down the rabbit hole that the men will be judged to have a human right to demolish women, as far as I can see.

PorcelinaV · 26/07/2023 21:48

They are fucking nuts in Canada.

nettie434 · 26/07/2023 22:08

ReeseWitherfork · 29/06/2023 19:22

Three American women who competed against Lia Thomas have spoken up, despite threats to their scholarships and future job opportunities.

Thats good to hear. When Lia first start swimming for the women’s team all I really saw was the women on the team #beingkind. Or is it a case that women on Lia’s team are being supportive and Lia’s opponents aren’t…

This article from Swimming World also confirms the pressure on UPenn women swimmers to keep quiet abou their concerns:

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/lia-thomas-teammate-situation-is-unfair-and-ncaa-is-discriminating-against-cisgender-women-locker-room-discomfort/

Lia Thomas Teammate: Situation is 'Unfair' and NCAA is 'Discriminating Against Cisgender Women'; Locker Room Discomfort

Lia Thomas Teammate: Situation is 'Unfair' and NCAA is 'Discriminating Against Cisgender Women. Penn teammate speaks out in interview.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/lia-thomas-teammate-situation-is-unfair-and-ncaa-is-discriminating-against-cisgender-women-locker-room-discomfort

nettie434 · 26/07/2023 22:12

Meant to add that Rugby Canada is an absolute disgrace.

FrippEnos · 26/07/2023 22:22

Passerillage · 30/06/2023 09:10

I don't understand why cis-gendered men aren't objecting. These organisations are run by men - straight, cis-gendered men over the age of 40. Historically, they have accommodated women reluctantly in the first place.

But I have yet to meet a straight, cis-gendered man over 30 who empathises with a man dressing as a woman and clobbering women in women's sport.

In general, most men don't have any particular feelings about female-passing transwomen - Kim Petras, for instance, but when it comes to a balding bloke on a rugby pitch trying to hit women they rapidly lose sympathy.

So why are the ones with the power to put a stop to this ALLOWING the balding bloke on the rugby pitch to hit women? This is not a women's problem, this is a men's problem and they should be dealing with it.

Because to be cis-gendered you have to believe in the BS that is the current gender ideology.

Maybe your question should be why do the men in charge of these sports etc.

Brk · 26/07/2023 22:57

Delphinium20 · 29/06/2023 19:18

Three American women who competed against Lia Thomas have spoken up, despite threats to their scholarships and future job opportunities.

Men ruined this and women are expected to risk everything to fix it. Frankly, I wish the men in charge would fucking tell off these transwomen. I'm sick and tired of it being our loss, our responsibility. (I know it's not practical and yes women can help by speaking up, but it's so unfair)

What @Delphinium20 said

ZeldaFighter · 27/07/2023 11:19

Sue! Sue them, then sue them again! World Rugby has banned transwomen because its not safe for men to play with women.

I notice that the transwoman never made a tackle on camera - presumably because of how obvious his advantage would be.

MySoCalledWife · 27/07/2023 11:45

The women speaking up against Lia are very brave

is there a way we can support them?

TheDogthatDug · 27/07/2023 11:49

The only person in that clip who gave a sensible answer was the police officer, "What is a crime any more"? Indeed.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 27/07/2023 11:56

Nellieinthebarn · 29/06/2023 22:41

He's just an abusive man that has found a way to hurt women without getting arrested. And Canadian Rugby is enabling the abuse of women by allowing this.

I don't know what the solution is, or how to stop it, but I think it will take global collective action to make any difference at all.

I suspect that the only way the men who in reality run sport will take any notice is if they somehow are made to lose money by allowing men to play in women's sports.

My suggestion for getting men to want to put a stop to the destruction of women's sport is this:

For every woman who loses a place on a team, a man at the same level in the same sport loses his place, i.e. he's banned from the sport for life (or until women's sport is restored). It could be done by drawing lots, so that no man feels safe while this goes on. The sport issue is an asymmetrical situation in many ways, but this might balance things slightly.

If this was introduced, there would be howls of, "That's unfair!" & "It's not the fault of the player who gets banned!". And those people would be correct. Just as it's not fair that a woman loses her place in her own sport, & it's not her fault that it happens.

NeedToChangeName · 27/07/2023 13:04

Passerillage · 30/06/2023 09:10

I don't understand why cis-gendered men aren't objecting. These organisations are run by men - straight, cis-gendered men over the age of 40. Historically, they have accommodated women reluctantly in the first place.

But I have yet to meet a straight, cis-gendered man over 30 who empathises with a man dressing as a woman and clobbering women in women's sport.

In general, most men don't have any particular feelings about female-passing transwomen - Kim Petras, for instance, but when it comes to a balding bloke on a rugby pitch trying to hit women they rapidly lose sympathy.

So why are the ones with the power to put a stop to this ALLOWING the balding bloke on the rugby pitch to hit women? This is not a women's problem, this is a men's problem and they should be dealing with it.

@Passerillage I think it's because the cis men aren't adversely affected by this

If transmen played eg table tennis and beat the cis men, then I'm sure the cis men would be up in arms complaining huw unfair it is

BaronMunchausen · 27/07/2023 13:16

Has the injuries part of this story been verified yet?

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