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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Not Your Average Family (BBC programme)

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WarriorN · 28/06/2023 16:19

Not your average family is a bbc programme about two females in a relationship, one who has transitioned. The other has ocd and background on onlyfans (and a racist tweet?).

Quite a few threads on mn at the moment link to the topics covered in this (and those that aren't.)

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WarriorN · 28/06/2023 16:22

"Charlie wants to be what she describes as a “dad”. But because she’s on testosterone, she no longer has periods, so she has decided to stop taking it in order to donate an egg to Lauren. No questions are asked about whether this would be healthy for the baby, particularly as Lauren has eggs of her own, which haven’t been damaged by powerful drugs. Instead, we’re just meant to accept that Charlie’s narcissism is more important than the baby’s health, as she says: “I really would struggle with watching Lauren getting to be the full creation of the baby”. Interestingly, Charlie has bought boy’s baby clothes, which are hung up around the house, and Lauren states that Charlie wants a boy. Again, no questions are asked as to why she wants a boy, what she thinks a boy is or if this is appropriate behaviour.
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We see other aspects of Charlie’s life, with suggestions that she grooms other girls into transitioning. (Also notice the background drawings of penises and breasts the BBC has used in this screenshot, in which Charlie is talking about her friend Zak, shown pre transition)."
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WarriorN · 28/06/2023 16:23

Relevant threads

Yet more insanity from Academia www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4837105-yet-more-insanity-from-academia

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WarriorN · 28/06/2023 16:24

Testosterone in pregnancy www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4836817-testosterone-in-pregnancy

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Mochudubh · 29/06/2023 09:25

I haven't watched, I've only seen the trailer, which I think was on after Reporting Scotland, but came on here to see if there was a thread.

I wasn't really paying attention, but when I heard "Having children with a transgender person can be challenging". I thought WTF?

No shit, I wonder why that might be.

I think that using Charlie's eggs for Lauren to carry the baby might be so they both have a biological relationship with the baby but they're still gonna need sperm.

Mochudubh · 29/06/2023 09:26

@WarriorN The links in your OP haven't come out properly BTW.

Chipperfish · 29/06/2023 09:46

Donor egg pregnancies are inherently more risky than pregnancies with the womans own eggs, with a higher chance of preeclampsia, premature birth, low birth weight, higher incidence of surgical delivery - so more risky for both the pregnant woman and baby in the situation, not to mention the risks involved to Charlie as well in stimulating ovulation for ovarian harvesting. While in certain situations using donor eggs might be considered appropriate there are a lot of real world considerations to take into account.

This seemingly flippant decision 'want to use my own eggs' has huge implications for all 3 people concerned, Charlie, Lauren and potential baby, not to mention the costs involved in pursuing the treatment (NHS?) and then dealing with any complications of the birth (prematurity, preeclampsia, need for urgent delivery) which would definitely fall to the NHS, especially when a lower technological, less risky solution is available (Lauren using donor sperm) if they really were committed to having a child - and I didnt get any sense of appreciation that this was considered or understood in the program. The not filling in the forms/discussing lying/not being willing to stop testosterone suggested to me chaotic thinking, and the whole thing being a game to get attention/validation/Charlies own way, not a serious comittment to a partner and family. Biological relationship might be important for Charlies psychology but the real world consequences and risks need thought through.

Is there any limit to the narcissism of demanding all this - putting your partner and potential child at higher risk of life altering consequences, and potentially additional demand on public services, just to validate one individual in their detachment from reality?

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/06/2023 10:21

I hadn't twigged that this a documentary, or a reality show at least. These are real people rather than actors playing a role. I think?

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