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SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 28/06/2023 12:49

OK. Now I am amused, confused, bemused

Went to a student house today, 2 tenants met me.

One was dressed like Holly Hobby. Pink ruffled pinafore dress, long hair tied up with a matching hair bow, ruffled ankle socks, Mary Jane shoes and a little gathered bag, also matching the dress, hanging from her wrist with a bow.

Cute and very retro I thought

Other tenant was pretty much Sporty Spice

Then apropos of nothing, I hadn't even asked their names, Holly Hobby says "I am non binary, you can call me They/Them"

I smiled and got on with the job "Is there anything you would like to report to the landlord?"

Holly Hobby stomped out of the house.

Sporty tells me, with an eye roll, I should have phrased that "Is there anything you/they/them would like to report to the landlord?"

I am afraid I laughed and said "but you were both here, talking directly to me, that's weird" and then got on with the job.

I am still trying to work it out. But maybe there is no sense in it?

OP posts:
dimorphism · 28/06/2023 17:50

RudsyFarmer · 28/06/2023 16:30

It’s compelled speech and it’s all about power.

Otherwise known as bullying. Though trying to bully your landlord (landthem?)/ agent (what are you OP?) during an inspection has got to win some sort of award for stupidity.

Next time I'd be tempted to retort by telling them your pronouns are 'Lord/Master'.

PriOn1 · 28/06/2023 18:13

I am reminded of a super-posh, definitely female voice in a stairwell announcing “My pronouns are they, you cunt”.

Hopefully they’ll grow out of it, but I pity the poor sods who employ these prickly pears.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/06/2023 18:21

Be prepared for HH to make a complaint about you, to your boss if you have one, OP.

In the unlikely event of this causing flak, suggest the boss has a chat with HH... bound to commit an error!

Fairislefandango · 28/06/2023 18:37

Bahahaha! What an attention-seeking twerp!

ArabeIIaScott · 28/06/2023 18:44

ApocalipstickNow · 28/06/2023 17:02

Maybe she thought you’d mistaken her for Little Bo Peep and was offended at your use of “ewe”.

😂

ArabeIIaScott · 28/06/2023 18:46

'I'm pro nouns, but I can't abide adjectives'.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 28/06/2023 18:49

"I am non binary, you can call me They/Them"

Wait a mo...
If HH objected to the second person, unsexed, singular or plural 'you' being applied to HHself and sporty, shouldn't HH also have refrained from using the conventional first person 'I' and 'me'?

Hang on some more.... so did HH assume that you were a 'you' without even asking which third-person pronouns you demanded that people use to address you in the second person?

How would you even ask what pronouns somebody uses, if you can't even assume you can address them as 'you'? "So what pronouns do... erm, this person I'm talking to now... use?" Even then, if you identify as a cat, sea cucumber, bottle of shampoo or wheelbarrow, by arrogantly assuming that you are a 'person', they've exposed themselves as the hateful, actually violent bigot that they are.

TinyRebel · 28/06/2023 18:53

I once went to a conference (I think we can probably guess which party) with a young woman who resembled a Lolita French maid. With enormous nu-rock boots. A they/them of course. 🙄

wavingtreetops · 28/06/2023 18:55

Rednorth · 28/06/2023 16:38

My dd's bf (14) has a really interesting insight on the current identity trends of today's generation, which blew my mind a fair bit!

He's really into his music and it's sociological impact over the years. We got talking about how music for previous generations was key in forming a whole identity and community for youths for each generation (mods, rockers in the 50s and 60s, punks, new romantics in the 70s and 80s, goths and emo in the 90s and 00 etc.)

He blew me away when he said he thinks the reason so many young people are getting hooked up on stuff like gender identity, cos play etc is there aren't any 'music' subcultures in schools/ universities anymore.
Thanks to Spotify etc making pretty much all music universal and available to all, there isn't a common glue to bring people together and give them something to identify with.
He said in school today, its more likely all your friends will like different music, and there definitely isn't a whole culture attached to the music in the same way it used to.
And as young people are still experiencing the coming of age 'identity crisis' and looking for a 'community' to belong to, gender stuff etc is filling that void for many people.

I think he's really onto something there. I know for me personally , music subcultures were absolutely everything for me as a young person.

I’ve heard this before too.

MMBaranova · 28/06/2023 18:58

I don’t seem to encounter a lot of ‘this’, possibly due to my line of work and ability to give off a don’t mess with me I’m busy vibe, but sometimes something is sprung on me. Earlier this month, meeting a 26 or so year old woman who looked mainstream in a work context she said casually ‘by the way I’m non-binary’.

I heard myself say, in my gran’s voice, ‘that’s nice’.

MargotBamborough · 28/06/2023 19:08

MMBaranova · 28/06/2023 18:58

I don’t seem to encounter a lot of ‘this’, possibly due to my line of work and ability to give off a don’t mess with me I’m busy vibe, but sometimes something is sprung on me. Earlier this month, meeting a 26 or so year old woman who looked mainstream in a work context she said casually ‘by the way I’m non-binary’.

I heard myself say, in my gran’s voice, ‘that’s nice’.

Sniggering at this.

I'd be tempted to say "cool story bro" and see if they accused me of misgendering.

Clementineorsatsuma · 28/06/2023 19:13

Deadringer · 28/06/2023 13:08

They wanted attention, you forgot to show appreciation for their weird get up and they didn't get the chance to correct your misuse of pronouns, so you have ruined their life!

They, their....

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 28/06/2023 19:13

MargotBamborough · 28/06/2023 15:11

They/them needs to learn about the difference between second and third person pronouns.

Fucking numpties.

Maybe NBs want us to address them in the third person now, like a King? It would be natural development for that level of self-importance.

"Does their Nonbinariness have any house repairs to report?"

I may start identifying as Oliver Cromwell.

ArabeIIaScott · 28/06/2023 19:14

MMBaranova · 28/06/2023 18:58

I don’t seem to encounter a lot of ‘this’, possibly due to my line of work and ability to give off a don’t mess with me I’m busy vibe, but sometimes something is sprung on me. Earlier this month, meeting a 26 or so year old woman who looked mainstream in a work context she said casually ‘by the way I’m non-binary’.

I heard myself say, in my gran’s voice, ‘that’s nice’.

😁

Clementineorsatsuma · 28/06/2023 19:15

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/06/2023 14:31

Was HH into the Lolita subculture do you think?

A reasonable explanation when the thread wants to ridicule?
Steady now...

Chersfrozenface · 28/06/2023 19:15

I'm working on "Really?" and a raised eyebrow.

Must study some clips of Roger Moore.

Clementineorsatsuma · 28/06/2023 19:19

Ohyoudodoyou · 28/06/2023 17:32

I was on a train recently and there was a young woman dressed how you described, like Alice in wonderland but not fancy dress - very conspicuous even in a big city. She got off the train and I was not far behind her.
Lo and behold! A massive group of young people all dressed like anime. They were in the park for a picnic bless their little polyester socks.
I was a punk, I'd have been one of these now but hopefully without the massive attention seeking pronoun/NB showtime!

A punk that wasn't attention seeking? How did that work then? Attention was at the heart of the style and movement!

ErrolTheDragon · 28/06/2023 19:20

Chersfrozenface · 28/06/2023 19:15

I'm working on "Really?" and a raised eyebrow.

Must study some clips of Roger Moore.

I'd go with 'ah, aren't we all'.

Clementineorsatsuma · 28/06/2023 19:20

Fairislefandango · 28/06/2023 18:37

Bahahaha! What an attention-seeking twerp!

Usually, when a young person is attention seeking, they need some, erm, attention. They could be being a complete idiot, or obnoxious, but often aside of that, they are in need.

DeanElderberry · 28/06/2023 19:24

So are we all. Part of the experience of becoming an adult is learning that.

WickedSerious · 28/06/2023 19:26

PriOn1 · 28/06/2023 18:13

I am reminded of a super-posh, definitely female voice in a stairwell announcing “My pronouns are they, you cunt”.

Hopefully they’ll grow out of it, but I pity the poor sods who employ these prickly pears.

'They you cunt' would be how I'd refer to them in that case.

Clementineorsatsuma · 28/06/2023 19:27

It's very sad that you all want to mock and ridicule a young person in this way.
I'm sure some of your parents and grandparents generations didn't like the way you dressed or behaved. It's all a part of finding your way in this world. The current 20 year olds were locked down at 17- we all suffered from Covid but the current under 25s suffered worse IMO because they should have been able to be learning to navigate their young adult or teen lives. But they couldn't.
As I say, the jumping to conclusions, ridicule and mocking is very sad. In every way.

audeloquipalam · 28/06/2023 19:30

TeaAndStrumpets · 28/06/2023 13:35

Or tha...as in, "Hast tha owt ter report t' landlord duck?"

Who’d have thunk it? Those old folk from the Midlands and the North have been ahead of this accurate gendering game for generations.

DeanElderberry · 28/06/2023 19:31

We're helping them to make up on the socialisation learning experience they missed out on during Covid. They should be paying us.

Fairislefandango · 28/06/2023 19:36

It's very sad that you all want to mock and ridicule a young person in this way.

Any adult who flounces off at being quite correctly addressed as 'you' deserves all the ridicule they get. This behaviour isn't 'navigating your way in the world', it's trying to control the world and make everyone else in it participate in your play-acting.

Calmly ignoring the nonsense and continuing as normal was probably the kindest way for the OP to deal with this person in the long run. HH will need to learn (albeit belatedly) that the world doesn't revolve around her.

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