Time to reject extreme trans lobby.. Powerful headline from the Telegraph

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/26/time-to-reject-the-extreme-trans-lobby-harming-our-society/

The Telegraph are giving the Daily Mail a run for their money!

@PorcelinaV yes, like in Ireland where they are trying to bring in hate speech laws. I think it's a great article & it's refreshing to hear opinions covering other angles to raise awareness.

And before both of them, there was Janice Turner in The Times.

The Times are very good too to be fair, they had a deeply disturbing piece about a Tavistock victim a couple of days ago.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/tavistock-transgender-patient-mastectomy-regret/

Why was my post hidden? I just shared an archived link to the Times article linked above?

I really don't think Liam Fox arriving is ever good for women 🤷🏻‍♀️

@YukoandHiro but for the children absolutely. It's another article out there in the domain raising awareness. He's fighting the good fight too. It's better to have as much opinion as possible. On the other hand Piers Morgan is great for highlighting women's plight.

Why not?

Because he was in favour of Brexit?

thx for posting article NoMoreAgeJokes

Worth a watch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_C14VuV58&pp=ygUSaGVhbHRoeSBjcmF6eSBjb29s

The Telegraph and Daily Mail are anti-trans, yeah we know. This isn't news.

I'm a bit puzzled? I am not anti-trans, I am pro women's rights. Do we help our cause by assuming everything to do with transwomen should be viewed as a negative. I have two friends with gender dysphoria, both had full surgery, both know they are men but are now content. Do I talk about women's stuff with them, yes I do. If one of them showed me a new handbag, would I find it offensive? No I wouldn't.

How is this "anti trans"?

Quote:

"The medical profession should take note, too. The willingness of many clinicians to rush to agreement for surgical and hormonal treatments may reap a wild whirlwind in the future. There is a real danger that ill-thought through surgical interventions, such as double mastectomy or orchidectomy (castration) or complex hormonal treatments (that may be irreversible), will lead to increased human suffering in the long-term.

We must also protect our right to free speech. The way in which extremists in the trans movement have sought to close down debate, including on safe spaces for women, is nothing less than an attempt at brutal censorship, worthy of the most repressive regimes.

That is why all of us, whatever our views on the subject of trans rights itself, must unite in making it abundantly clear that everyone, celebrity or not, is absolutely entitled to their views and to express them freely in a free society without fear of violence or intimidation."

Are you familiar with David? He "used to" be an MRA, wrote a book in the 90s about how women lie all the time. Not surprised people have an issue with the shallow handbag stuff etc.

If you're going to phrase every pointing out of issues as being 'anti trans' then you yourself are making being 'pro' increasingly problematic.

My dh was 'brought to the summit of the mountain' by David's weekly articles. As it became clearer and clearer how self-obsessed and deluded David was, it dawned on dh that the whole ideology was built on men's feelings and not facts. He's now thoroughly gender critical.

I've always maintained that that was what the Telegraph intended. Let the transwomen speak their thoughts out loud, and many people of good sense will wake up and think 'wtf'.

Criticism of activism and ideology is not ‘anti-trans’ - unless you’re actually only interested in the ideology (not people).

Arguably, the people most disadvantaged by this kind of activism and ideology are trans people. They will be the ones left dealing with the push towards medical and surgical intervention in the long term. Especially the so-called ‘trans kids’ who risk being unable to experience basic human development as a result.

Caring about this stuff is not ‘anti-trans’. Arguably, activism that seeks to shut down any discussion that falls short of celebratory affirmation is actually anti-trans people.

Because Transgender ideology is a totalising one, it cannot deal with subtlety or nuance. Nothing is else is permitted to exist outside of it - hence it is also totalitarian and controlling.

It seeks to shame and bully people into conformity through the use of name calling and through censure. Because it is not equipped to deal with pluralities of belief or thought it can offer no real debate.

"A totalising system is one that seeks to subsume all other paradigms within its paradigm, rather than accepting that other paradigms exist alongside it. It regards itself as a complete and universal system which can explain all experience and needs no supplemental systems.
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A non-totalising or pluralist system recognises its particularity to its local culture and sees that different philosophies emerge out of different cultural contexts and local histories. A totalising system ignores local contexts or seeks to explain them through its paradigm.

A totalising system assumes that its style of religion / philosophy / theology / culture is best for all humanity, and it may seek to convert others or impose it on them"

This is why everyting is described as " being anti-trans". You must believe wholeheartedly and without question, or else you are a hater.

Which is used in the sense of 'infidel!'

The thing is these right wingers are also often against many women's rights. Dr. Fox has stated In response to a question in an interview with GB News about whether he still held to his previously stated view on abortion when he argued for “huge restriction, if not abolition” of the provision of abortion, the MP for North Somerset argues that “I think our laws are far too liberal in the United Kingdom”. Many GC feminists will be horrified and surprised when their right wing friends use transphobia to curtail rights we have long fought for as feminists. Don't be fooled, these people are not on your side, do not risk your daughter's rights and freedoms by supporting these dodgy fuckers. Google Dr. Fox and see how he had to resign for being one such dodgy fucker.

He's right about trans extremism. He's right about protecting children from being gaslit to believe they've been born in the wrong body.
Rather than criticising women on here for noticing that a democratically elected MP has spotted a massive problem, maybe you could persuade labour and the lib dems to support the rights of women to single sex sport, spaces etc & the need to safeguard children & young people against early sterilisation & bodily mutilation? Because so many of us are disaffected lefties aghast that it's Tory MPs speaking out against the removal of basic human rights & safeguarding with the left being silent.

Damn right. Excellent article, straight to the point.