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BBC to bring the famous five to TV

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Dinopawus · 26/06/2023 07:52

Just seen this in the Times.

For the love of Timmy, can the BBC please leave George as the Tom-boy she is?

Im not confident.

Famous Five go on a progressive adventure for new generation in TV adaptation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/25335ec2-1388-11ee-b768-bb6d328f2d92?shareToken=8042c7bc7e8225df45e0537407fb335a

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SerafinasGoose · 29/06/2023 12:02

Anyway, this thread reminds me of the saying "If you don't think representation matters, you're probably well represented".

I thought it worked well for the Malory Towers adaptation. I also find nothing particularly nostalgic about Blyton's representation of ethnic minorities, or even people who were not from England. The xenophobia is very evident in her representation of the gormless French teachers, who are always the ones to be completely taken in by every insipid, predictable 'treek'. The (implicitly more sensible) English mistresses see through the high jinks immediately, and in typically po-faced style swiftly administer the appropriate punishments.

As for Americans, their girls grow up too quickly and it's down to the English girls to teach them that being a child, and concerning themselves less with their clothes, nails and the cinema, is the 'appropriate' model of behaviour. In other words, squash them into swift conformity, and extinguish any hint of individuality.

The worst portrayal of an American was that of the thieving Mr Henning in 'Five on Finniston Farm', not to mention his ghastly son, Junior.

It's not accidental that the very worst and most ruthless of Blyton's usually cardboard-cutout, Scooby Doo style villains was the murderous Jo Jo, a black 'servant'. It might be prudent to point out that the rest of the baddies were white, but this man is an unusually nasty piece of work for Blyton, and practically every other mention of him also makes mention of the colour of his skin. This character has been updated to omit these details in the later publication. I'm glad to see it: I don't necessarily discourage my DC from reading Blyton - although we do discuss the shortcomings of her worldview - but I would not want him reading naked prejudice like this.

(On a lighter note I am, however, cackling at the horrific yet infinitely entertaining image of Bill Smugs as a furry .....)

OMG, I had no idea that Jo Jo was originally a black guy!

I only had the audio tape version of this, as a kid, not the book. I am guessing that race references were edited out, even in the 1980s (pretty glad about that!)

I totally imagined Jo Jo as a very white "rural" type - he was given a Cornish accent in the audio tape I listened to. He was still called "Jo Jo" though.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2023 09:13

That dog costume is terrifying. The dog puppet they used in Labryinth (Ambrosius? not Sir Didymus) was pretty good, though they used a real OES for most of the shots.

SerafinasGoose · 30/06/2023 09:48

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 30/06/2023 01:37

I just want Timmy to be played by a dog!

That's definitely something that would never, ever have crossed your mind to even question just a few years ago!

Unless they did it on the cheap and/or pantomime style - but it would still definitely be a person in a rubbish dog costume and not a person who actually thinks that they ARE a dog!

I have images in my head now of Roger in 'The Shining', kneeling in front of Horace Derwent in his little doggy costume ....

Make it stop!

C00kp1ssBabtridge · 30/06/2023 14:22

It's in Port Gaverne, just near Port Isaac

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 30/06/2023 15:07

Ah, thanks, C00kp1ssBabtridge - I would have assumed Dorset, for some reason; although Malory Towers was partially filmed in Cornwall too (the outside scenes), I think.

Madcats · 27/07/2023 07:49

They've announced the cast

www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2023/the-famous-five-cast-with-first-look-images

Timmy looks like I was hoping (bearded collie cross).

'Trent' from Ted Lasso is Uncle Quentin

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 27/07/2023 09:48

Interesting - thanks! I do love that they felt the need to point out which one the dog was, just to avoid any confusion!!

I'm in two minds about this, as on the one hand, I will be eagerly watching; but on the other, I'm not convinced that a new series was ever actually needed, when we already have two of them. It's not like it's meant to reflect life in 2023 - the books are clearly of their time.

I wonder how much they will 'bring up to date' - and whether it will be for the better or the worse.

REP22 · 27/07/2023 11:44

That cast looks pretty promising, the characters a lot like I've mostly imagined them. Who are Mr. and Mrs. Wentworth, though? I don't remember them from the books. Maybe they are story one's villains?

I did think they might be Julian, Dick and Anne's parents, but IIRC their surname was also Kirrin, like George's (their fathers being siblings).

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