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2 contradictory news articles about the same crime - which is true?

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DiabolicalFinial · 24/06/2023 11:14

A very vivid example of the capture within the Australian media.

Both of these versions cannot be true - so which is reality and which is absolute fabrication?

https://twitter.com/WomensNN/status/1672544935818727426

2 contradictory news articles about the same crime - which is true?
2 contradictory news articles about the same crime - which is true?
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NotBadConsidering · 24/06/2023 11:35

Holly Lawford-Smith herself has tweeted the one on the left and called out the author of the one on the right for its poor reporting. I trust Holly.

DiabolicalFinial · 24/06/2023 11:38

@NotBadConsidering As do I!

It is just absolutely unbelievable that such lies can be published as fact. The assertions in the second article are blatant lies - not misunderstandings or mistakes, just plain re-writing of the truth….

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NotBadConsidering · 24/06/2023 11:48

Looking at the profile of Olivia Jenkins, she’s obviously young. It’s a complete failure of her editor to allow the story to run. The Herald Sun should be ashamed. Hopefully it will be called out on Media Watch.

DiabolicalFinial · 24/06/2023 12:06

New version from The Herald Sun…

Still not reporting facts/reality:

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Helleofabore · 24/06/2023 13:34

Is this a case of people that it would be people targeting trans people rather than the other way around? There is s built in prejudice in some media that is very clear by now. I had to read and re read the university’s statement to check what was mentioned.

TheBiologyStupid · 24/06/2023 16:11

Hmmm, it will be interesting to see what happens. The Australian report seems very clear about the target of the incident and it certainly fits the MO of those on one side of the issue.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 24/06/2023 16:24

Not clear what has happened. Is it that the graffiti was in fact done by trans activists?

https://twitter.com/srishtichatters/status/1672118318810165250?t=qApmCNJU15-Uhrp9vbrY2g&s=19

https://twitter.com/srishtichatters/status/1672118318810165250?s=19&t=qApmCNJU15-Uhrp9vbrY2g

PriOn1 · 24/06/2023 20:24

The statement in PaleBlueMoonlight’s link looks to me to be (perhaps deliberately) unclear.

Reading carefully, I suspect the reality is following a standard pattern: women’s rights activists use non-violent methods of action; transactivists respond with more destructive actions.

Rather than offering a clear statement, the vice chancellor says those damaging property were writing graffiti “pertaining to trans issues”.

It is thus unclear which side is guilty of this destructive behaviour, but when he throws in a paragraph about “trans people” having serious concerns for their safety, to the casual reader, that very much carries an implication that those acting destructively and those causing this concern are one and the same.

Doubtless, if faced with this being pointed out, he would say that he intended to state that such behaviour was not justified, even in the face of provocation, but I’m not sure it’s an innocent error.

But it follows that, if the article in the first post was based on his statement, the journalist might well have believed what she wrote actually reflected what he said.

helpfulperson · 24/06/2023 21:22

Honestly, probably neither is 'true'. I sat on the jury for a case that was a reasonably minor assault but serious enough to be in our local paper every night. I began to doubt I'd even been in the same courtroom as the journalist.

Helleofabore · 25/06/2023 12:55

This has been covered by Rukshan. Now I have now opinion about Rukshan except that he seems to explore political issues to discover truth and transparency. He was excellent in posting the footage about the Melbourne stand for women event. I don’t listen to his commentary, just used his footage.

He has covered the disconnect in the reporting.

The graffiti was ‘trans - we are not safe here”. And a window was broken

This can be interpreted two ways. It will depend on who is caught ultimately. However, I can assume that with the other actions against Holly lawford-smith that it is likely to be extreme trans activists who have done this. She has said they are giving her security guards to protect her lectures when they start soon.

The way the Herald reported this was fucked up. I thought the VC delivered a very carefully worded statement. It is also clear that many people interpret that the only people who are victims in this situation are trans people. That Holly could not conceivably be a ‘victim’ considered worth protecting.

here is the link to the Australian.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/uni-of-melbourne-vc-slams-balaclavawearing-transgender-activists-over-campus-vandalism/news-story/c57a48309a3657815db251d0760f04a3?amp

Security Guards to Protect Lecturer at Melbourne University from Trans Rights Activists

Associate Professor of Political Philosophy Holly-Lawford Smith has requested security guards to protect her lecture on feminism at the University of Melbour...

https://youtu.be/YCsGVfP4TRc

DiabolicalFinial · 25/06/2023 14:19

@Helleofabore
Thanks for that - I wonder if the CCTV footage will reveal anything further, too?

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