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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
SpicyMoth · 22/06/2023 22:28

Very good, enjoyed that they included quotes from Buck!

IcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2023 23:24

Well, that pulls no punches.

Hoardasurass · 23/06/2023 00:37

That's an honest assessment of the problem right now quite a refreshing article

UtopiaPlanitia · 23/06/2023 00:53

Archived version of the article:

Why Pride Lost The Public
https://archive.is/EzhBo

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https://archive.is/EzhBo

Ramblingnamechanger · 23/06/2023 01:06

Pity the article focuses largely on the USA…could have mentioned the fight back on terf island at least.

Boiledbeetle · 23/06/2023 02:31

The worst is American I think which would explain the America centric news of the article

“It’s so tragic because we’ve reached this moment when gay people have finally won mainstream acceptance for the first time in, like, 2,000 years of history,” Kirchick said. “It’s OK to be gay pretty much everywhere in America — and there are obviously pockets where it’s still a problem, I’m not gonna deny that — but majorities of Republicans support gay marriage. I’ve seen it in my own life as a thirty-nine-year-old gay man: it’s a lot easier to be gay now than it was six years ago. And just when we’ve reached this moment, these activists have decided, in our name as gay people, to just piss off America and to make them think that we are a threat to their children.”
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“I am so upset that my community has been co-opted and has been used for some other agenda,” Angel told me. “The work we have done to get here is profound and should never be forgotten. All we want is to live our lives just like you, but of course that’s not what you see now with the people driving the LGBTQIA+++++ bus.”

Boiledbeetle · 23/06/2023 02:32

The writer not the worst! It's late!

Needmoresleep · 23/06/2023 07:26

Beetle, I should have said that it was from Spectator World which is the US version.

As a general point Spectator World seems to be doing a good job in filling a needed gap in US media. I don't know what readership figures are, but they produce some good right-of-centre/socially conservative reporting which provides proper balance to newspapers like the New York Times. A bit like five or six years ago when James Kirkup's articles in the UK edition started the trickle of intelligent questioning of the gender explosion within MSM.

It is good to see the start of a rational fight back in the US. I thought that the point about children was a good one, and may go some way to explain the level of emotion in the US, where the debate started later and more ordinary parents will be aware of the damage done. (Five years ago we were having dinner with an ordinary mid-West couple. The mother was a teacher and she was astonished when I said something terfy. She would not be able to say anything similar even though she agreed with me completely, and then told me about some completely inappropriate inclusion of a boy in the girls changing room that the school had been forced to accept.) I also thought the suggestion that much of the pressure has come from the need of lobby groups to keep the funds rolling in is interesting. Related to the usual big Pharma argument, but perhaps the start of an awareness that like Stonewall these "charities" are accountable only to themselves and are perhaps not serving the needs of the LGB communities they were set up to support.

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