Former staff from controversial Tavistock facility set up private gender clinic

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One campaigner said it was worrying that 'staff from a failed service' have established the private practice for children and teenagers

Gender Plus offers “specialist gender assessment for children, adolescent and young adults” which can be used as “onward referral to an appropriate endocrine or surgical team”.

It is also setting up an “associated hormone clinic”, which will be run by Paul Carruthers, who has been a “key member” of the same team in the NHS since 2015.

Article in the Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/former-tavistock-staff-private-gender-clinic-gender-plus/ (can be found by going to https://archive.ph and entering Telegraph URL)

(Hope this isn't a duplicate thread - nothing came up using MN search function)

I guess this has been set up to yes get new referrals but also to hive off all the thousands of people who are already in the system, and who the NHS will no longer prescribe those lifelong drugs to.

I see this as a tiny sign that they think they cannot continue to work in the new clinics which is good, but would be really interested in how the finances work in terms of referrals and funding.

A fair amount of the team already work for Kelly Psychology, as Gender Plus has one director and person of significant interest, Dr Aidan Kelly. However on this website, no pronouns! What are the chances? Is it all just a performance? Who knows.

https://www.kellypsychology.co.uk/our-team

I saw that Dr Kelly presented on his research at the EPATH conference that he has done through Kelly Psychology, however there is no link that I can see to that on the Kelly Psychology website. This in turn led me to the BAGIS - British Association of Gender Identity Specialists...

https://bagis.co.uk/position-process-statements/

BAGIS wishes to express concern regarding the interim service specification for specialist gender dysphoria services for children and young people. The proposed approach is unnecessarily paternalistic and interrogative; with a clinical pathway which fails to acknowledge the fact that gender diversity is simply a normal part of human diversity. While care must be taken to ensure young people receive appropriate treatment, the proposed specification focuses instead on simple gatekeeping without due regard to the healthcare needs and human rights of the young people it seeks to serve. In no cases should social transition require medical approval. The language used is reductive and pathologizing, compulsory enrolment onto clinical trials unethical, and punishment for families seeking help elsewhere set to further isolate this already minoratized group. BAGIS views the proposed situation for gender identity services for young people in England and Wales as a worrying departure from international best practice and calls on NHS England and the department of Health to develop service specifications which are evidence based and which are co-produced with young gender diverse people and their carers/families at every stage and as per WPATH and Endocrine Society guidelines.

So looks like the plans in the new services is to enrol everyone on these clinical trials and begs the question, if gender diversity is simply a normal part of human diversity, why the need to medicate people? And at every stage? Really? I thought you guys dropped everyone once they started to desist or question what you have done to them and didn't record any long term findings? And again, no pronouns on the list of the council members.

Looking at their noticeboard: the masterclass in top surgery is CPD accredited. <jaw drops>

• Surgery masterclass with Ioannis Ntanos is now CPD accredited. The link to book is on Eventbrite and has added a number of student tickets at the significantly discounted rate of £75. www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/top-surgery-masterclass-tickets-602568537717 This is password protected: Top5urgery2023

Nice password fella

And again, front facing info on instagram:
Mr Ioannis Ntanos (He/Him)
Consultant surgeon and bioethicist.
Specialist in gender affirmation top surgery.
I like reading poetry and the colour green

Also ran an 'ethics in healthcare' session in may and has 'I got 99 problems but my tits aren't one' pic on his insta. Classy.

How are these utter charlatans allowed to practice medicine?

The changing tide is inevitable. More and more countries and jurisdictions will move away from the current model as they see it to be unsustainable to pretend the evidence is on their side. America will be big, as insurance and lawsuits take hold.

I think the relevant point comes from Time to Think. There’s a point in the book where it becomes clear that the demand exists because the possibility of puberty blockers exists. One of the clinicians is asked if puberty blockers weren’t available what would happen and he says “they wouldn’t come.” As the availability becomes less, fewer patients will be demanding it. Most patients will accept their lot that they have to go through puberty - as has happened since forever - and not even demand it. As other more demanding teenagers, and their parents, see that it isn’t actually necessary then they will start demanding it less. The narrative will shift from “this is a lifesaving necessity” to “this is here if you want it”.

And privately that will only cater for a very small number. I think it speaks to their incredible hubris. There was no private market for this before 2015 and they’re investing in a business model that assumes this market will exist for the rest of their careers. It’s like investing in a lobotomy business in 1950: plenty of cases still being done, but countries starting to ban the practice. But these guys are convinced the patients will just keep on coming. They’re bonkers.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you are 😁in my mind it will all go in the opposite direction. Fingers crossed the lawsuits come soon.