Irrationally annoyed about educated women who should know better peddling Cis bollox

[Farmageddon]

I didn't know what to title this, but is anyone else feeling like this lately? In the last few weeks/ months I have been majorly turned off people I follow on podcasts or youtube when I hear them refer to 'cis women' as though it's totally normal. These are well educated women, who in any other context would apply rational thinking, but why do they have to undermine their credibility with this shit?

Abbey Sharp - dietician on youtube who sort of dissects other people's diets, and usually uses research papers to back up her claims on nutrition and health. Also mocks people who follow faddy diets (that's sort of her style). And yet, when I was watching a video a while ago on the best diet for menstruation, underneath she had written the following grovelling apology:
NOTE EXCLUSIVE LANGUAGE- Gah I am so sorry, I was not thinking inclusively. This is something I have been actively working on (this video was shot months ago), and in fact, I just shot another video related to PCOS and was really careful to constantly say "people" and not "women". Will continue to try harder and do better!

Nice bit of self flagellation there...

Suzanna Lipscomb - I really loved the 'Not just the Tudors' podcast and had been listening to random episodes over the last few months, only when I got to an episode on menstruation in Tudor times, of course it was made clear this is about 'cis women'. FFS. What's even more annoying is in a previous episode her and the guest had been making fun of the ridiculous things that used to be believed about health in Tudor times (the four humours of the body).

Stacy Sims - Exercise Psychologist and Nutritional Scientist, has a PHD, I was watching her on a recent interview with Katie Couric about women's health in menopause. In the first few minutes, she talks about 'cis women' and I want to throw something at the screen.

Anyone else have examples, or shares my frustration?

Also from the article:
When she went on Have I Got News for You nine months later Jack Dee introduced her “as a woman who collected her Foster’s comedy award wearing a ‘No More Page 3’ T-shirt, but got a bigger round of applause when she took it off.” She resented being reduced to a “woman who has tits” and hasn’t appeared on the show since.

So basically she's a comedian who can't take joke - how ridiculous.

This x 1000. Not irrational at all.

@thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch I'd add the word dangerous to your list.
Afaiac, they are a clear and present danger to women and children. And it's a double whammy for kids because they aren't just foisting the ideology on them and encouraging unnecessary medical treatments on them but they are putting them in danger from predators hanging around changing areas, toilets, etc.
Their stupidity and desperation to be one of the ' it ' crowd seems to override any fail safe, fool proof mechanism that ought to stop them doing what they're doing, with very loud sirens and many red flags being waved, inside their heads! imo, of course.

Thanks for the link @Farmageddon i'll try to read that later.

Also from the article:
When she went on Have I Got News for You nine months later Jack Dee introduced her “as a woman who collected her Foster’s comedy award wearing a ‘No More Page 3’ T-shirt, but got a bigger round of applause when she took it off.” She resented being reduced to a “woman who has tits” and hasn’t appeared on the show since.

So basically she's a comedian who can't take joke - how ridiculous.

I thought this was weird too. Isn't the joke about people who only see a woman's breasts not the person, rather than about her?

This.
Well said

It’s the use of “people” that annoys me. Pregnant people, people who go through the menopause. There was a Zoe podcast that did this (evidence-based health) and I think they then got the stats wrong, along the lines of 50% of people not 50% of women.

Absolutely!

We've had threads about the uselessness of Bridget Christie before. She's a lost cause.

How idiotic do you have to be to claim both that "one in one women" goes through menopause and that trans women are women? If she really believes the latter, then the former statement is deeply transphobic.

Just a wild guess, but I think she doesn't really believe that trans women are women. She does, however, know which side her bread is buttered.

I thought this was weird too. Isn't the joke about people who only see a woman's breasts not the person, rather than about her?

It could be either way. In a women-only group, and said by a woman, I would see it that way. But do I really believe Paul Merton was making a joke at the expense of people who only see women's breasts, and not a joke at the expense of comedians who have breasts?

There's been a lot of misogynist humour put down as "ironic".

So basically she's a comedian who can't take joke - how ridiculous.

And how many times do women get told we can't take a joke when we react against sexism?

They all sound fantastic people and are a credit to the medical profession.

Confinement is by Jessica Cox - I haven't read it, though.

I did some work for an academic who collected phrases using "Capital" in ways like this - it was a l-o-n-g list. Pierre Bourdieu is to blame...

Suzanna Lipscomb - I really loved the 'Not just the Tudors' podcast and had been listening to random episodes over the last few months, only when I got to an episode on menstruation in Tudor times, of course it was made clear this is about 'cis women'. FFS. What's even more annoying is in a previous episode her and the guest had been making fun of the ridiculous things that used to be believed about health in Tudor times (the four humours of the body).

While these people may be educated, perhaps the problem is they were never that intelligent or insightful? My first thought with someone making fun of the Tudors because of the 4 humors theory is that they are not really very imaginative or capable of putting themselves in another's place, or thinking outside of their own presumptions, or even maybe don't know their own presumptions aren't self-evident.

Hang on, every panellist that goes on these shows gets a 'funny' introduction where they get the piss taken out of them. Why did she think she would be any different?

Thank you as soon as I can afford it I’ll get the kindle version.

This is it. They’re forcing it on women in general, and they have no right to.

What's even more annoying is in a previous episode her and the guest had been making fun of the ridiculous things that used to be believed about health in Tudor times (the four humours of the body).

Lipscombe isn't bright enough to work out that in three or four hundred years her views and beliefs are going to attract exactly the same sort of derision. Making fun of the beliefs of the past is a really stupid thing for a so-called historian to be doing.

every panellist that goes on these shows gets a 'funny' introduction where they get the piss taken out of them.

There's a lot of pisstaking a comedian could do without turning to a sexist put-down.

I didn't see that episode so I don't know how he said it or if the joke just misfired but female comedians still get a rough ride and HIGNY has form for sexism. I don't like this minimising and "can't she take a joke". Feminism is also for the women we don't like.

Why did she think she would be any different?

Maybe she hoped she'd be treated same as the male comedians.

Bridget Christie has a new comedy drama out called "The Change" about the menopause which she says affects “one-in-one women” but then also says this later on in the interview: “The main issues get lost in all the noise — which is, the main threat to all women, including trans women, is men. We should all be coming together, all women, and talking about that.”

Tbf, I didn't really expect any better of her.

She reminds me of Kate Smurthwaite.

The main issues get lost in all the noise — which is, the main threat to all women, including trans women, is men

Or to use plain facts, the main threat to all people, including men whatever they call themselves, is men.