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Are there any liberal/progressive US GC feminists?

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/06/2023 09:47

I used to live the US, well before the gender madness, and admired lots of American feminists, all of whom now seem to have lost their minds.

We are seeing increasing pushback against the medicalisation of children and males in women's sports in Red (Republican) states but, because the US is so politically polarised, this seems to be making every Democrat and left-leaning woman double-down on supporting trans activists, at the expense of women.

WoLF are awesome, but explicitly non-partisan.

Are there any GC US voices on the left?

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Kokeshi123 · 14/06/2023 01:26

Re the race angle:

One big difference between the US and UK is the huge number of black and hispanic transwomen (virtually all androphilic - the type who were gender nonconforming boys from very early on and would have simply become young gay men had they been left alone).

As it is still very hard to be openly gay in many working class black/hispanic communities, this often means that if you are one of these teenage boys, then going "undercover" as a woman (which involves leaving home with no support, moving into another town and going into the sex trade/petty crime/getting into a relationship with an aggressive and dangerous man) may seem like the only way to survive. This, combined with the fact that the US is an unusually high-crime society anyway by developed country standards, results in these transwomen suffering high rates of violent crime and even violent death.

The long-term solution to this unhappy state of affairs is to reduce the homophobia which is preventing these boys from simply living happy and healthy lives as gay men. Unfortunately, people on the American left find it easier to blame feminists for "murdering transwomen" every time women voice the slightest objection to having biologically male people in their changing rooms and sports events etc. The fact that most of these transwomen suffering these very difficult and violent situations are black and hispanic makes it very easy to paint GC feminists as being clueless white women who Just Don't Get It.

So yes, it is likely that any feminist breaking ranks on this will need to be non white to make any difference. Yes, it's stupid that it has to be this way, but America's difficult racial history and the tendency towards shame-faced hand-wringing embarrassment about race among the US left makes a lot of issues very hard to discuss sensibly, and this is one of them.

DogandMog · 14/06/2023 18:27

Lierre Keith... she speaks/writes so eloquently, I can't believe she's not better known.

RealityFan · 14/06/2023 18:56

Eliza Mondegreen, the one commentator I return to, again and again.

MrsAlgernon · 14/06/2023 21:42

Good question, don't think there is anyone as famous as JKR.

One may want to go through Benjamin Boyce interviewees.

MrsAlgernon · 14/06/2023 21:48

Kokeshi123 · 14/06/2023 01:26

Re the race angle:

One big difference between the US and UK is the huge number of black and hispanic transwomen (virtually all androphilic - the type who were gender nonconforming boys from very early on and would have simply become young gay men had they been left alone).

As it is still very hard to be openly gay in many working class black/hispanic communities, this often means that if you are one of these teenage boys, then going "undercover" as a woman (which involves leaving home with no support, moving into another town and going into the sex trade/petty crime/getting into a relationship with an aggressive and dangerous man) may seem like the only way to survive. This, combined with the fact that the US is an unusually high-crime society anyway by developed country standards, results in these transwomen suffering high rates of violent crime and even violent death.

The long-term solution to this unhappy state of affairs is to reduce the homophobia which is preventing these boys from simply living happy and healthy lives as gay men. Unfortunately, people on the American left find it easier to blame feminists for "murdering transwomen" every time women voice the slightest objection to having biologically male people in their changing rooms and sports events etc. The fact that most of these transwomen suffering these very difficult and violent situations are black and hispanic makes it very easy to paint GC feminists as being clueless white women who Just Don't Get It.

So yes, it is likely that any feminist breaking ranks on this will need to be non white to make any difference. Yes, it's stupid that it has to be this way, but America's difficult racial history and the tendency towards shame-faced hand-wringing embarrassment about race among the US left makes a lot of issues very hard to discuss sensibly, and this is one of them.

Yes it is a good angle to consider.

And visible US progressives tend to be stridently more progressive. Two of my US academic friends are being scared off UK as wicked Terf-hotbed by their fellow academic friends, clearly not knowing of universities being captured.

Needmoresleep · 14/06/2023 22:46

Another thread on a Newsweek article reminded me that Dr Amy Chai, one of the contributors to that article, is worth looking out for.

She is not necessarily left but she is a clinician whose practice deals with public health and addictions and she herself somehow got through John Hopkins despite a seriously improvised background. She is a natural educator and posts a lot on Quora. Overtime she has become increasingly open about being gender critical. One of the good guys.

ArabeIIaScott · 14/06/2023 23:29

Alice Walker?

MrsAlgernon · 14/06/2023 23:44

With yeehaw lands and Trump so often portrayed it's easy to forget how radically progressive the progressive side in US is.

Nigerian US based author - Chimamanda Ngozi started soft on the differences between transgender women (who had male privileges) and women born female and she got huge backlash. That was a few years ago and the backlash against her did set off the path for me to peaking. We don't hear much from her now.

KatieAlcock · 14/06/2023 23:59

I listened to this earlier which was encouraging. Steven Pinker is a big hitter on academic thinking. It's at about 30 mins in.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001mm22?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

FKATondelayo · 15/06/2023 12:21

The only comparable gender critical figure to JKR I can think of is not American but does live there a lot of the time - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. Obviously she doesn't have the household name and wealth factor but she is a prominent left leaning feminist author with cache among liberal affluent ladies of the US.

Delphinium20 · 17/06/2023 00:06

I just found one more! Julie Lane. She has a feminist group Women Are Real. They protested a high school track meet in Northern California last month to protest that a trans-identifying boy was being allowed to run against girls.
https://twitter.com/WomenAreReals

https://womenarereal.org/

https://twitter.com/WomenAreReals

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