Sonia Sodha: How did NHS body get the law so badly wrong over its rules on same-sex care?

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Article link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/11/new-nhs-guidance-could-prevent-same-sex-care-for-women?
Archive: https://archive.ph/mmT77

Twitter response: https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1667787877797724162?s=46&t=TMUOZCqGbx3Pv9MjeQqrig

Muslim women are bigots, you see chaps. Good thing they have white twitter beards to explain.

And this is the thanks that women get for the lockdowns which women were disproportionately affected by. Told same sex care is a luxury.

Quite. All that clapping for the NHS rings rather hollow doesn't it.

Apart from the fact that the document is so wrong morally, it's surprising (if you're minded still to be surprised after the storm of shit that's hurtled our way over the past few years) that it's got the law completely wrong. Apparently they asked a lobby group called the LGBT Foundation for advice. Why not, you know, ask a proper lawyer? Crazy idea but it might just work.

They'd hear what they don't want to hear @RoyalCorgi and that would never do, far better to just pontificate the Law as they want it to be.

In a time when the NHS is struggling beyond belief should gender/sex even be considered is a bigger question.

Two of the biggest factor in safeguarding are age and sex.

Anyone who wants sex to be ignored, especially in health care setting, activity wants safeguarding to be ignored.

Yes RoyalCorgi it's striking just how wrong they got it? What is the purpose of the guidance itself - to keep people happy and not take the NHS to any tribunal?

@sleepyscientist

Why should I face being dismissed and slurred by people who think like you, when the people who caused my PTSD were male? Their actions have affected me since I was a teenager.

Why should I feel I have to disclose the several instances of trauma inflicted by those men in order to be treated as fully human by people who think like you?

It is clear that you do not care about women.

If you care about the NHS consider that women who don't feel safe are more likely to delay seeking early treatment and thus cost the NHS more if serious conditions are not detected soon enough.

If you care about trans people consider that telling them that it is appropriate to deceive and trample on the boundaries of a marginalised group is deeply irresponsible. It is also deeply irresponsible (not to mention offensive) to tell trans people that being able to tell what sex they are is an act akin to violence.

Yes, this. My actual male gynaecologist has never used me to validate himself in any way. He's doing his job.

If he told me that he was now identifying as a woman, then that's a whole different ball game. I don't want to give access to my body to a deluded male talking crap at me. I can and will remove my consent because I am not his prop. I am a hospital patient, and some of the time I might be under sedation.

And offering the presence of chaperones is a red herring in policy terms given that they too could be men who say they identify as women.

This is about MY trust in the specific doctor/nurse and MY consent.

This organisation isn't actually in charge of running the NHS, but claims through membership to "represent" those working in the NHS.

And needless to say from that bases then thinks it can spout how things should or should not be done.

As mentioned in the Moral Maze thread re Kathleen Stock, one of the nothing to see here women are okay, is Matthew Taylor who seems to have had a career based on moving from on think tank to another. Some might wonder at his motives.

Most NHS operate on the basis of "dignity" and "safety", however the deliberate confusion of is there a difference between sex and gender has made some hospitals follow the Rainbow route.

Whilst I appreciate that it is something to have an article like this in the Guardian, the issue actually is why a membership organisation is being listened to anyway.

What is there status in relation to those who actually have the legal duty to run services.

As we know dating back years, and different governments, very few hospitals have been able to "justify" financially women's wards and men's wards. And as we know from shocking stories this has made women detained in mental health services exceedingly vulnerable.

And I dont think many if any local authority care packages allow for those needing to care to have it provided by someone of the same sex.

The worry is that this deliberate misrepresentation of the law, will be taken up for convenience sake as much as any political one.

Will be interesting to see after the outcome of Monday's debate whether they will have to with draw it.