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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A Scottish Labour frontbencher dropped out of hosting and attending a gender critical event following a formal complaint to the party

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IwantToRetire · 08/06/2023 01:27

Pauline McNeill, MSP for Glasgow region, was due to hold an event titled “The Meaning of Sex Under the Equality Act 2010”

McNeill was due to co-host the event with SNP MSP Ash Regan (pictured above), who resigned from her role as community safety minister over her opposition to the reforms.

The event is due to include contributions from controversial gender critical activists, including Maya Forstater, barrister Noami Cunningham, Michael Foran, a legal academic at Glasgow University, and Helen Joyce, author of Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality.

Sex Matters was founded by Forstater and Cunningham, and is currently campaigning to amend the UK Equality Act to include biological sex as a protected characteristic.

The Scotsman reported that the complaint said the timing of the event and its invite, which was sent on the first day of Pride Month and to all MSPs, “appears to be a deliberate attack on trans people and their allies”.

A Scottish Labour source told the newspaper it was the right decision for McNeill to step away from the event, but added it should never have been organised in the first place.

They said: "This is the right decision, but Pauline should never have organised it in the first place and I hope she apologises publicly for it.”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/uk-news/23573840.scottish-labour-frontbencher-pulls-gender-critical-event/

Scottish Labour frontbencher pulls out of gender critical event after complaint

Pauline McNeill, MSP for Glasgow region, was due to hold an event titled “The Meaning of Sex Under the Equality Act 2010”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/uk-news/23573840.scottish-labour-frontbencher-pulls-gender-critical-event

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dropthevipers · 08/06/2023 03:31

Labour reading the room again. I give up. What will it take for these muppets to wake up?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 08/06/2023 09:47

This is such a betrayal of what Pride was about. It made sexual minorities visible to each other and to the general public. Now it's an excuse to silence women and to shut debate down for a whole month of the year. For shame Sad

Whereareyourshoes · 08/06/2023 09:53

Labour Party showing their absolute contempt for women once again. Imagine the horror of grown ups having a conversation about clarity in legislation.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 08/06/2023 09:59

There's a Parliamentary debate about the petition on 12 June. Is the timing of that also "a deliberate attack on trans people and their allies"?

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/326/petitions-committee/news/195562/the-definition-of-sex-in-the-equality-act-2010-to-be-debated-by-mps/

terryleather · 08/06/2023 10:56

"The Scotsman reported that the complaint said the timing of the event and its invite, which was sent on the first day of Pride Month and to all MSPs, “appears to be a deliberate attack on trans people and their allies”.

Oh noes!!! Some women wanted to discuss the ongoing attack on their rights during Pride Holy Month! It shouldn't be allowed! In fact it shouldn't be allowed at any time and everyone involved must repent!

Fuck that noise.

#WomenWontWheesht

Bejazzled · 08/06/2023 12:09

This is another shocker from Scottish Labour

IWilloBeACervix · 08/06/2023 13:18

FFS. My birthdays is in June. Maybe I shouldn’t celebrate it in June because I’m not LGBTQIAWTF++ (though technically I easily fall under the trans umbrella)

No one owns June.

nilsmousehammer · 08/06/2023 14:32

Labour party is prejudiced, bigoted, exclusionary and intolerant of a multi faith society. Ok. We all knew it, but useful to have it confirmed.

It's quite staggering watching how hard they are fucking up what would be an open goal for any party with a brain at this point, but the left have just all lost it beyond redemption.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 08/06/2023 14:40

D'you know, I was even wondering again if I could vote for Scottish Labour. Nope.

They had a fantastic lineup of clever knowledgeable articulate speakers and they blew it.

ChristinaXYZ · 08/06/2023 14:46

For 11 months of the year women should shut up and for the 12th month women should not even talk about being shut up. Bloody hell. Democracy in action.

Labour, the Greens, Oxfam - hating women is becoming a new Olympic sport.

ResisterRex · 08/06/2023 14:50

The month formerly known as June is giving some solid material to those MPs debating on Monday, that much is obvious.

RealityFan · 08/06/2023 14:51

nilsmousehammer · 08/06/2023 14:32

Labour party is prejudiced, bigoted, exclusionary and intolerant of a multi faith society. Ok. We all knew it, but useful to have it confirmed.

It's quite staggering watching how hard they are fucking up what would be an open goal for any party with a brain at this point, but the left have just all lost it beyond redemption.

The way I see it is that the trans activist left see their Labour Party as locking in to the social changes already in operation out there.

The NHS and education are already captured ("cervix-owners, get in line to be smeared" and "let's talk about strangling during sex and keeping your new gender secret from your parents"), civic organisations are lost ("this museum and gallery challenges you to confront your transphobia and racism" and "bring your kinks to talk about at the Ministry Of Defence {Let It All Hang Out} Friday), and MSM is not worth the chip paper it's written on ("her penis" and "she raped multiple cis-women").

Ever since Blair, QUANGOs and other governmental oversight have mushroomed, and since 2010, Tories have been asleep at the wheel as they've spent more time destroying and no time conserveing.

Meaning that in 2024, we have civic structures marinated in TRA speak (plus pro-BLM and other CRT poison), the superstructure of UK Plc is now anti-women to the core, just awaiting the final piece of the puzzle, the government that will seamlessly integrate it all.

Seeing this GC Labour SNP be effectively barred is totally consistent with my narrative.

Florissante · 08/06/2023 14:59

The Labour party is pro-misogynist.

nilsmousehammer · 08/06/2023 15:08

It seems increasingly symptomatic of a group that have all variously vanished up their own bottoms. It's like a plague wiping sense and capacity out of all public office.

I've just read a paper submitted by a left local authority on their plan for a large and serious area of need: it's two pages long. There is not one single discernable actual plan, action, thing that will happen, anywhere in it. It's two pages of aspirational waffly bollocks. It's no longer heavy on the ideology and rightthink, it's now totally incapacitated by it. I can only think any time anyone says 'well about this serious problem, let's think about trying this' they get surrounded by panicking people paralysed by having to explain that the semi-colon may require provision of a safe room, the paragraph break requires HR and legal advice and probably should be avoided due to red tape, and the word 'we' should be avoided because it was a word once used by someone's aunt's sister's hedgehog's hairdresser who is rumoured to have danced in a field with a JK Rowling novel by midnight.

It reminds me of that scene in Blackadder, where no conversation or action can go ahead, because every time anyone mentions a phrase that triggers the actors they have to drop everything, scream in panic, and immediately repeat their little warding off evil spirits ritual.

SunnyEgg · 08/06/2023 15:09

Florissante · 08/06/2023 14:59

The Labour party is pro-misogynist.

It sure is

TheBiologyStupid · 08/06/2023 19:43

terryleather · 08/06/2023 10:56

"The Scotsman reported that the complaint said the timing of the event and its invite, which was sent on the first day of Pride Month and to all MSPs, “appears to be a deliberate attack on trans people and their allies”.

Oh noes!!! Some women wanted to discuss the ongoing attack on their rights during Pride Holy Month! It shouldn't be allowed! In fact it shouldn't be allowed at any time and everyone involved must repent!

Fuck that noise.

#WomenWontWheesht

Absolutely this!

TheBiologyStupid · 08/06/2023 19:56

nilsmousehammer · 08/06/2023 15:08

It seems increasingly symptomatic of a group that have all variously vanished up their own bottoms. It's like a plague wiping sense and capacity out of all public office.

I've just read a paper submitted by a left local authority on their plan for a large and serious area of need: it's two pages long. There is not one single discernable actual plan, action, thing that will happen, anywhere in it. It's two pages of aspirational waffly bollocks. It's no longer heavy on the ideology and rightthink, it's now totally incapacitated by it. I can only think any time anyone says 'well about this serious problem, let's think about trying this' they get surrounded by panicking people paralysed by having to explain that the semi-colon may require provision of a safe room, the paragraph break requires HR and legal advice and probably should be avoided due to red tape, and the word 'we' should be avoided because it was a word once used by someone's aunt's sister's hedgehog's hairdresser who is rumoured to have danced in a field with a JK Rowling novel by midnight.

It reminds me of that scene in Blackadder, where no conversation or action can go ahead, because every time anyone mentions a phrase that triggers the actors they have to drop everything, scream in panic, and immediately repeat their little warding off evil spirits ritual.

Reminds me of the scene in Life of Brian where the People's Front of Judea sit around discussing Brian's arrest and get bogged down in procedural technicalities but make no meaningful decisions about how to act. Then at Brian's crucifixion they finally show up:

Reg: [reading prepared statement] "We, the People's Front of Judea, brackets, official, end brackets, do hereby convey our sincere fraternal and sisterly greetings to you, Brian, on this, the occasion of your martyrdom."

Brian: What?

Reg: "Your death will stand as a landmark in the continuing struggle to liberate the parent land from the hands of the Roman imperialist aggressors, excluding those concerned with drainage, medicine, roads, housing, education, viniculture and any other Romans contributing to the welfare of Jews of both sexes and hermaphrodites." Signed on behalf of the P.F.J., etcetera.' And I'd just like to add, on a personal note, my own admiration for what you are doing for us, Brian, at what must be, after all, for you, a very difficult time.

Brian: Reg! Well, what are you going to do?

Reg: Good-bye, Brian, and thanks.[The PFJ salutes]

Francis: Well done, Brian. Keep it up, lad.

Stan/Loretta: Terrific work, Brian.

dcbc1234 · 09/06/2023 01:30

Bejazzled · 08/06/2023 12:09

This is another shocker from Scottish Labour

She could join the Scottish Conservatives instead. At least they allow free speech and thought. Labour still a disgrace. May as well love in a totalitarian regime.

dcbc1234 · 09/06/2023 01:30

Live lol

FigRollsAlly · 09/06/2023 01:42

Why are Scottish Labour (and Welsh Labour) so extreme? This is far removed from Starmer’s squirmy fence sitting and surely it undermines his assurances that women’s rights will be safe under Labour.

OllyBJolly · 09/06/2023 07:45

I'm outraged at this. Pauline McNeill is a feminist, socialist and has been a gay and lesbian rights activist and supporter most of her life. She really is everything the Labour Party should stand for - and did stand for.

She's one of the very few impressive politicians in Holyrood. They need to listen to her, not shut her down. I'm hoping some of her colleagues come out of hiding and speak up in support.

Heliotroper · 09/06/2023 16:32

IWilloBeACervix · 08/06/2023 13:18

FFS. My birthdays is in June. Maybe I shouldn’t celebrate it in June because I’m not LGBTQIAWTF++ (though technically I easily fall under the trans umbrella)

No one owns June.

June has transitioned and will be now known as Jim

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