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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cambridge Dictionary definition of Gender Critical

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Ingenieur · 06/06/2023 09:07

There have been quite a few discussions recently about the Cambridge dictionary definition of "woman", but I'm very disappointed in their definition and examples of "gender-critical".

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gender-critical

The definition appears to assume the validity of the concept of a "gender identity", and the examples given for context are completely biased.

Bad show, Cambridge...

gender-critical

1. believing that sex is a fact of biology that cannot be changed, and doubting…

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gender-critical

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Plbrookes · 07/06/2023 17:42

@Ingenieur Yes, it's very often an excellent idea to be clear about how we're defining x when we're discussing it. But the dictionary definition isn't particularly relevant for that. You could distinguish different concepts of gender and label them gender1, gender2 and gender3 and then say 'I'm gender1 critical in the sense that I believe that the factual claims underpinning gender1 are incorrect.' Apologies if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

Bosky · 08/06/2023 14:04

ScrollingLeaves - "It seems surprising that to “know” you have a cut and are bleeding is not understood as a material ‘fact’ so much as a belief you have a cut. What about giving birth? A random experience on an equal footing with someone’s belief they are a woman trapped in a man’s body?"

Going back to your original point:

"I think it is a shame that the idea that sex is a fact was legally judged to be a belief in the Maya Forstater case, even though it was expedient and it is great that she won"

Maya's case did not relate to the protected characteristic of Disability (she had a cut and was bleeding or was delusional and believed she had a cut and was bleeding or because her employer was delusional, or misinformed, and believed she had a cut and was bleeding).

Neither did it relate to the protected characteristic of Pregnancy and Maternity.

Philosophical discussions are interesting if you have got the time and inclination. However, what we are dealing with is Legislation as currently enacted and interpretations in case law and both are subject to change.

IANAL but I was a Union Rep and what was important was that I understood the current state of Employment Law.

Lawyers and courts are not equipped or required to undertake scientific inquiry when dealing with cases under the EA2010 relating to the protected characteristic of Religion and Philosophical Belief. They can make what are later determined to be perverse judgements, as in the ruling by the Tribunal that first heard Maya's case.

If Maya had not been able to Appeal that first ruling then it would have been bad news, legally and also personally for Maya, but it would not have changed anything about the biology of sexual reproduction and the state of scientific knowledge.

Some lawyers are dissatisfied with the Grainger criteria and have suggested alternative ways of protecting freedom of speech under Employment Law, eg.

LEGISLATING AGAINST SOFT ATTACKS ON FREE SPEECH: PART I – EMPLOYMENT

https://joe-chiffers.co.uk/legal-news/legislating-soft-attacks-free-speech-part-i-employment/

I have not got the time, inclination or qualifications to comment on the merits of that particular proposal.

The only point that I want to make if an alternative to the Grainger criteria were to be adopted, or the EA2010 was repealed, it would not change what anyone believes about biological sex or gender identity or the state of scientific knowledge.

IIRC it was once a "fact" that horses were impregnated by the wind.

If you ever want to plunge into the depths of despair about how we got to where we are now, read the debates in Parliament during the passage of the Gender Recognition Bill in 2003/04 and later the Equality Bill.

Again and again there are MPs and Peers who make plain or state outright that they do not know what they are talking about, what is intended by the Legisation or what it even means.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/06/2023 19:55

Thank you Bosky · Yesterday 14:04 for your kind attempts to help me understand.

Zodfa · 09/06/2023 22:55

It seems fine to me. Gender-critical feminists would be better off spending their time fighting the actual issues caused by the trans movement rather than trying to see oppression round every corner.

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