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Why are Primark promoting "Found Family"

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WandaWomblesaurus · 04/06/2023 03:45

www.primark.com/en-us/a/inspiration/special-occasions/celebrating-found-families

"A Found Family Is About Finally Feeling Whole, Something That Might Be Absent In Your Biological Family, Like A Full Set Of Acrylic Nails Or A Good Pair Of Fake Lashes. It’s A Community You Choose, Whose Values And Honesty Speak To Your Own."
- Jude & Michael, Germany

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TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:03

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Datun · 05/06/2023 13:05

TeaKlaxon

They appear to have issued two statements which are the opposite of each other.

And the second one, only after people pointed out the first one.

There are several reasons for people issuing statements that they then subsequently deny. One is to see if they can get away with something, and another is an error.

We see people doing the former, all the bloody live long day. It's a well worn tactic.

And It's a piece of piss to actually convince people it was an error.

Empty denial isn't it.

Neither, incidentally, is claiming people are being homophobic. You probably don't know this, but many women on these boards are lesbian.

AlisonDonut · 05/06/2023 13:05

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 12:55

Sometimes it is better.

Under what conditions, is there some sort of checklist and how do Primark ensure that their funds are not putting kids in danger?

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:07

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I don't need to change it, they need to address it.

"We do not agree with the paragraph being highlighted in the women's declaration."

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:07

Or, we agree it's open to misinterpretation.

TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:08

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:07

I don't need to change it, they need to address it.

"We do not agree with the paragraph being highlighted in the women's declaration."

But they do agree with that paragraph.

What they disagree with is bad faith claims that the paragraph means advocating for lower or no age of consent.

So to be crystal clear they have confirmed that they do not support lowering the age of consent.

And still people on here are claiming they do. What is that if not a homophobic smear.

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:12

TeaKlaxon

You can't genuinely believe that the women on here are homophobic.

Many of them are lesbians. One of the reasons they disagree so vehemently with the trans ideology is because of the rampant homophobia involved in it.

it's a fact that predators will flock to any organisation that provides them with a loophole to predate.

hence the concern over eg drag queen story time having nothing to do with homophobia, but to do with the sexualisation of children.

If you have issued a statement that looks like it's got a bloody great loophole in it, the thing to do is the address that specifically.

AlisonDonut · 05/06/2023 13:13

Surely wanting all kids, including gay kids, to be safe is a good thing?

Who knew that was homophobic?

Helleofabore · 05/06/2023 13:14

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Oh… so they didn’t get it modified.

They didn’t say, hey, this is wrong. They didn’t say, in the future let’s work to get this language absolutely clear and unarguable. It should all be forgiven and forgotten.

And no, your entrenched and prejudiced view on why people are concerned doesn’t reflect reality on the whole and for this thread.

‘My lie’ was an error. Did you see that I owned it? I acknowledged it. I have also posited that this group may not have done their due diligence. You see, that is called accepting that there are alternative scenarios to what happened.

You on the other hand have continued across threads to show your prejudiced viewpoint of the majority of posters on this board.

My concern for this messaging by Primark is what age group it is aimed at and how it is all depicted. My issue for the wording of that fucked section of the declaration was because of the same safeguarding issues. No hate. Just a very deep understanding on the need to be very clear about safeguarding minors against harm. From anyone, not just one group of people.

What is your motivation for portraying those who have valid concerns as being motivated by hate?

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:15

Under what conditions, is there some sort of checklist and how do Primark ensure that their funds are not putting kids in danger?

Say what now?

"Sometimes found family is better," is an idea that gay people and abuse survivors often subscribe to.

Neither you, nor Primark, can insist it only applies to some incredibly specific political situation.

AlisonDonut · 05/06/2023 13:17

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:15

Under what conditions, is there some sort of checklist and how do Primark ensure that their funds are not putting kids in danger?

Say what now?

"Sometimes found family is better," is an idea that gay people and abuse survivors often subscribe to.

Neither you, nor Primark, can insist it only applies to some incredibly specific political situation.

I'm not syphoning funds to it am I?

Helleofabore · 05/06/2023 13:18

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:12

TeaKlaxon

You can't genuinely believe that the women on here are homophobic.

Many of them are lesbians. One of the reasons they disagree so vehemently with the trans ideology is because of the rampant homophobia involved in it.

it's a fact that predators will flock to any organisation that provides them with a loophole to predate.

hence the concern over eg drag queen story time having nothing to do with homophobia, but to do with the sexualisation of children.

If you have issued a statement that looks like it's got a bloody great loophole in it, the thing to do is the address that specifically.

Yes.

You don’t issue a statement declaring people are haters for thinking the worst. You look at what has been said and think, ‘ oh fuck…. That is really poorly worded and we should absolutely seek to clarify that this clause is poorly worded .

TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:18

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:12

TeaKlaxon

You can't genuinely believe that the women on here are homophobic.

Many of them are lesbians. One of the reasons they disagree so vehemently with the trans ideology is because of the rampant homophobia involved in it.

it's a fact that predators will flock to any organisation that provides them with a loophole to predate.

hence the concern over eg drag queen story time having nothing to do with homophobia, but to do with the sexualisation of children.

If you have issued a statement that looks like it's got a bloody great loophole in it, the thing to do is the address that specifically.

I have set out repeatedly now what the statement means and the reasons it uses the language they did.

Responding to bad faith or ignorant interpretations, ILGA have then explicitly said they do not support lowering the age of consent.

I might just about understand someone reading the language, being unfamiliar with the debate in global women’s rights circles about how criminalisation of sex is used to oppress girls, and making the leap.

But when it is clarified that (1) ILGA were only one of hundreds of international bodies signing the declaration (2) it uses language commonly used and understood within the global women’s rights community to address a specific issue (3) that ILGA expressly does not support lowering the age of consent - then it clear that all these concerns are wrong.

If someone is still pretending to have these concerns in the knowledge of the above, and they attack only the LGBT+ signatory but none of the others, making debunked claims that the organisation is endorsing paedophilia, that is so very obviously homophobic.

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:19

I'm not syphoning funds to it am I?

WTF are you biting my head off across multiple posts for?

You sound unhinged. Maybe you should try actually following who is saying what instead of taking the scattergun approach of giving verbal abuse to anyone who posts?

AlisonDonut · 05/06/2023 13:23

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TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:24

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TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:27

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Maybe get your facts straight?

Primark aren’t siphoning money to support ‘found families’.

You are conflating their financial contribution to ILGA (which has no particular role in anything to do with found families) and their marketing campaign which celebrates found families.

I don’t think you understand what safeguarding is if you think any of this represents a safeguarding issue, let alone a safeguarding risk.

Ohalpro · 05/06/2023 13:28

@TeaKlaxon i just want to say thank you - I agree with you 100 percent and appreciate you explaining the issues at stake so clearly on this thread

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:29

And you sound like you have no idea about safeguarding.

Honestly, has FWR been promoted across some sort of child abuse network or something?

Honestly @AlisonDonut if you don't have the spare energy to read, then maybe step back for a bit?

The point I was making was that the whole concept of "found family" was long established and shouldn't be ceded to those co-opting it. That was all. Nothing more.

At which point you started serially attacking me for fuck knows what. If you're confusing posters with one another, maybe slow down?

I haven't said anything in support of slackening safeguarding. You're making yourself sound a bit bonkers by throwing these accusations around indiscriminately.

TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:30

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Helleofabore · 05/06/2023 13:34

TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:18

I have set out repeatedly now what the statement means and the reasons it uses the language they did.

Responding to bad faith or ignorant interpretations, ILGA have then explicitly said they do not support lowering the age of consent.

I might just about understand someone reading the language, being unfamiliar with the debate in global women’s rights circles about how criminalisation of sex is used to oppress girls, and making the leap.

But when it is clarified that (1) ILGA were only one of hundreds of international bodies signing the declaration (2) it uses language commonly used and understood within the global women’s rights community to address a specific issue (3) that ILGA expressly does not support lowering the age of consent - then it clear that all these concerns are wrong.

If someone is still pretending to have these concerns in the knowledge of the above, and they attack only the LGBT+ signatory but none of the others, making debunked claims that the organisation is endorsing paedophilia, that is so very obviously homophobic.

But when it is clarified that (1) ILGA were only one of hundreds of international bodies signing the declaration (2) it uses language commonly used and understood within the global women’s rights community to address a specific issue (3) that ILGA expresslydoes not support lowering the age of consent - then it clear that all these concerns are wrong.

If the language is commonly used in the past and people have raised an issue with it now, an organisation should not just double down and call people out as hateful. The solution is, and always was, to be absolutely clear in the language used.

The continued defence of it is simply perpetuating poorly worded policy and law.

And it does not matter that it was one of many organisations who signed it. Coming out and saying, we can see the issue and we as an independent organisation will work on clarifying this in the future was the solution.

If someone is still pretending to have these concerns in the knowledge of the above, and they attack only the LGBT+ signatory but none of the others, making debunked claims that the organisation is endorsing paedophilia, that is so very obviously homophobic.

Another rather blatant attempt to shame and emotionally manipulate.

This organisation has become the focus because of Primark’s support. I absolutely hold every single one of those organisations who signed that declaration to the same high standard as IGLA. And I will happily say the exact thing about them if they too did not issue a statement detailing that they understood the issue and will work in future to ensure no loopholes, no alternative interpretations can be made.

So, no. That is just your latest attempt to portray people objecting to support of this organisation and to the messaging of this Primark communication without the clarity of target age group as homophobic .

There are children pictured in the primark article. There is no clarity as to whether that child is part of a found family. There are valid concerns with this communication.

Datun · 05/06/2023 13:34

You do not undermine a perfectly sound declaration signed up to by hundreds of organisations working to advance women’s rights across the board because some people misunderstood what one paragraph meant. You simply clarify that you do not believe what is being claimed you believe.

I disagree. I would be addressing the specific wording and explaining exactly what it means and who it's referring to, because you realise that reading it can lead one to misinterpret it. Not just saying we've been accused of wanting to lower the age of consent, but no we don't.

Do you work for them? If you have any influence with them, maybe suggest that?

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:34

FFS, first time I've been accused of MAP type shite. When did the shouty thickos take control of FWR?

TeaKlaxon · 05/06/2023 13:39

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:34

FFS, first time I've been accused of MAP type shite. When did the shouty thickos take control of FWR?

When weren’t they?

JeandeServiette · 05/06/2023 13:41

This is why I don't come here any more. I just remembered.

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