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Suzie Green issues statement and accuses daily mail of anti -trans witch hunt.

61 replies

CreateaUsername27 · 03/06/2023 13:20

I don't think that the Daily Mail have published the piece yet that she has been asked to comment on, but it seemes to be critical of her links to the Tavistock:

  • Her practice of referring children to the Tavistock against the wishes of their GP and overstepping her role.
-Not allowing staff to have opposing views on allowing transwomen in sport. -Recommending Gender GP to children in her care. -not allowing children to explore the possibility that they might be transitioning to escape being gay-'gay conversion therapy'.

Obviously she justifies it by saying the press are transphobic and refutes everything but interesting to contrast it with a few years ago when she was untouchable.

https://medium.com/@segreen100/daily-mail-anti-trans-witch-hunt-episode-7-692-b3eef8ab5b95

Daily Mail Anti-Trans Witch-hunt: Episode 7,692…

Well, here we go again, another hit piece. It almost feels like I am back at Mermaids, sitting waiting with the press and comms team for…

https://medium.com/@segreen100/daily-mail-anti-trans-witch-hunt-episode-7-692-b3eef8ab5b95

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 13:23

Bad move. DM will just double down and really go for the jugular.

AmbleInAnnBoleyn · 03/06/2023 13:24

Oh dear, Suzie.
We KNOW what you did, we can't un-know, sorry.

AmbleInAnnBoleyn · 03/06/2023 13:27
  • Susie. Beg pardon.
MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 13:27

It's called 'getting your retaliation in first,' and positioning yourself as a victim of the nasty tabloid but it does suggest the DM article does not show her in a good light.

Apollo441 · 03/06/2023 13:57

Notice how she always replaces the word children with 'young people'.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/06/2023 14:03

The fact that the Tavistock were forced by the courts to disclose emails that they tried to hide tells us everything about how damaging to both Mermaids & the Tavi they are. And quite rightly the press are exposing everything.
Hopefully the Charity Commission enquiry into the Mermaid's paedophile / porn scandal will be equally revealing.

NotBadConsidering · 03/06/2023 14:12

Apollo441 · 03/06/2023 13:57

Notice how she always replaces the word children with 'young people'.

It’s a very common tactic amongst TRAs.

“Young people”
”Adolescents”
“Teens”
“folks”
“trans youth” etc

Always avoid the word children. Because they know it’s too confronting to people to hear “we champion medical transition of children”. TRAs like euphemisms. Top surgery, bottom surgery etc.

It’s essentially gaslighting and grooming.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/06/2023 14:20

Lol she’s the gift that gives on giving - never knows when to just not say anything

im always gobsmacked at the number of highly intelligent articulate people who were taken in by her

IcakethereforeIam · 03/06/2023 14:21

I wonder if the Mail hasn't tipped their full hand, perhaps they're just giving her enough rope to hang herself?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 14:24

im always gobsmacked at the number of highly intelligent articulate people who were taken in by her

It's a question I've been asking myself for ages - how do people this stupid and this gullible actually get to hold positions of such power and influence?and it's not as if it's a one off.

Boiledbeetle · 03/06/2023 14:31

Her latest response does make me wonder if she's determined to take mermaids down with her for daring to sack her.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 03/06/2023 14:41

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 14:24

im always gobsmacked at the number of highly intelligent articulate people who were taken in by her

It's a question I've been asking myself for ages - how do people this stupid and this gullible actually get to hold positions of such power and influence?and it's not as if it's a one off.

If you work in the NHS, it makes perfect sense. We are all supposed to pay homage to "patients' (or, in this case, parents') lived experience". On paper, listening to patients is a good thing but the problem is that it is difficult - services are dealing with thousands of individuals with competing priorities and preferences. It would take a lot of resource and effort to sample all their views and develop a consensus.

So, in practice, it is more convenient to find a few articulate patients/parents - typically middle-class - and treat them as the spokespeople for all the patients that use your service. The service then gets shaped around their wants/needs, with no attention paid to competing views, or to the needs of people who may find it harder to express themselves across an authority gradient, e.g. less educated, socially deprived, English not first language etc.

crumpet · 03/06/2023 16:20

perhaps it’s being saved for the mail on Sunday

TraumatisedGooner · 03/06/2023 17:40

IcakethereforeIam · 03/06/2023 14:21

I wonder if the Mail hasn't tipped their full hand, perhaps they're just giving her enough rope to hang herself?

When The Daily Mail decides to target someone they really don't give a damn about evidence or ethics. It's just about enraging their rabid readership and intimidating their opponents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_People_(headline)

Enemies of the People (headline) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_People_(headline)

Kimchikeffir · 03/06/2023 17:48

Ahh, judges instead of a dead cat.

IcakethereforeIam · 03/06/2023 17:50

@TraumatisedGooner that's something you and I can agree on, they're a bit like some of the trans rights activists. But not so many death and rape threats.

Pixiedust1234 · 03/06/2023 18:08

oh dear...rabid readership....then backs it up with a Wikipedia link. Who knows who has complied or edited that " article". Wikipedia is generally worthless as evidence.

PronounssheRa · 03/06/2023 18:13

TraumatisedGooner · 03/06/2023 17:40

When The Daily Mail decides to target someone they really don't give a damn about evidence or ethics. It's just about enraging their rabid readership and intimidating their opponents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_People_(headline)

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Suzie Green issues statement and accuses daily mail of anti -trans witch hunt.
HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 03/06/2023 18:16

As much as I dislike the Mail for its right leaning rhetoric I do have to give them credit for the Stephen Lawrence murders story.

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 03/06/2023 18:17

Oh x post. I must learn to type quicker.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/06/2023 18:20

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 14:24

im always gobsmacked at the number of highly intelligent articulate people who were taken in by her

It's a question I've been asking myself for ages - how do people this stupid and this gullible actually get to hold positions of such power and influence?and it's not as if it's a one off.

I think people like this are very persuasive , almost mesmeric in person. Camila of Kids Company was such a one, I remember reading that a perfectly intelligent journalist believed that her when she said she had an unusual health condition which made her ‘ sometimes swell up’ , nothing to do with food intake, a bit like an intermittent dropsy.

This is also how JS and the didgeridoo man hid in plain sight. Of course it helps if the cause you are espousing is fashionable, and people want to believe whatever you are peddling. So people wanted to believe that if they gave CB enough money she would solve the problem of disadvantaged children, and that Mermaids could magic away serious mental health problems and distress by dubious medical treatments.

JulieHoney · 03/06/2023 18:22

Those same old egregious, dangerous lies about suicide. How is she allowed to get away with that time and time again?

Trans identifying teenagers are at the same risk as other teenagers with the many shared comorbidities. The Tavistock itself said there weren’t trans teens killing themselves.

Telling children if they don’t get what they ask for they will end up killing themselves is spectacularly irresponsible and dangerous. Telling parents, and you bet the poor bastards will “comply”! Who wouldn’t, when threatened with the loss of a child by those supposedly in the know?

JulieHoney · 03/06/2023 18:25

Ps, obviously the Daily Mail is a hate-mongering rag that demonises immigrants and refugees and obscenely misogynistic. That doesn’t stop it being right about Susie Greene. She’s done so much damage.

JacquelinePot · 03/06/2023 18:29

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 14:24

im always gobsmacked at the number of highly intelligent articulate people who were taken in by her

It's a question I've been asking myself for ages - how do people this stupid and this gullible actually get to hold positions of such power and influence?and it's not as if it's a one off.

I think because it's an area where there is literally no science, no knowledge, no expertise, no genuine best practice people feel out of their depth and defer to people like Green who claim that they do know

AutumnCrow · 03/06/2023 18:52

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 03/06/2023 14:41

If you work in the NHS, it makes perfect sense. We are all supposed to pay homage to "patients' (or, in this case, parents') lived experience". On paper, listening to patients is a good thing but the problem is that it is difficult - services are dealing with thousands of individuals with competing priorities and preferences. It would take a lot of resource and effort to sample all their views and develop a consensus.

So, in practice, it is more convenient to find a few articulate patients/parents - typically middle-class - and treat them as the spokespeople for all the patients that use your service. The service then gets shaped around their wants/needs, with no attention paid to competing views, or to the needs of people who may find it harder to express themselves across an authority gradient, e.g. less educated, socially deprived, English not first language etc.

This is such an important point from @MissLucyEyelesbarrow