Kathleen Stock on the Moral Maze at 8pm today 31 May 2023 - Cancel Culture

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I heard this mentioned earlier today but their web site doesn't mention her https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001mcgk

But she has now tweeted to confirm https://twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1663963828336435201

(I think its a pretty pretentions radio series, but who knows what they will manage today.)

No.

Iwanttoretire makes a key point about cancel culture:
Its a great shame that those newspapers and journalists who are willing to write about gender critical views dont do more to protect the unknown women who are being cancelled and intimidated.

Julie Bindel and Suzanne Moore have years of media knowledge and contacts that help them find alternative ways of sharing their views when newspapers won't publish their articles. It's the women who post here about being scared to refuse to add pronouns to emails, the athletes who are worried about losing sponsorship who are being cancelled. Just as one swallow doesn't make a summer, so one prominent GC commentator doesn't mean cancellation doesn't exist.

There was a telling sentence in the Janice Turner article about being in a broom cupboard in the Oxford Union with Kathleen Stock. Earlier Monroe Bergdorf had been invited to speak at another Oxford Union debate. However, she had not needed to arrive with security guards or hide in a cupboard.

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but did the event at Bristol uni not happen in the end?

I told my adult daughter about it a few days before. We disagree on gender issues (surprise, surprise) as she is more on the side of twaw. Having said that we do talk about it sometimes as she's too polite to tell me to shut up.

She's also a bright young woman who I thought might benefit from that debate. Didn't think she would have made it at such short notice, but it's a terrible shame if it never even went ahead.

Anyone know the story?

What is also not being said is the number of academics who don’t cover any gender topics now in their courses.

I have a friend who has told me they dropped a unit discussing it a couple of years ago, and her colleagues all have been doing so since. All from fear of complaints that will lose them their tenures.

This was covered in a news article recently too as becoming common.

So, the toxicity of students not able to engage with a topic without ‘cancelling’ the lecturers careers is having this impact on the student’s education. It is a dangerous self fulfilling cycle.

People like Stock and Rowling and Forstater are the very tip of this - the most well-known, wealthy, well-connected or just tenacious enough to speak up whatever the cost. There are thousands of us who have been cancelled in many ways through questioning this ideology and many, many more who see what happens and keep quiet.

Melanie Philips was very clear on the chill effect of the no debate and heckle approach which means women loose jobs and friends etc but had no real support on that

the last speaker - a university professor - basically said it is ok to smear someone if you don’t agree with their view. Ie it’s ok to smear Kathleen Stock. Unbelievable. Even more so since she didn’t see that as problematic

The University of Bristol made a last-minute decision that the student group organising the discussion would have to pay for security, but also said that members of the public couldn't attend, effectively cutting off the organisers' ability to raise the necessary funds. This made the whole thing unviable. Fortunately, the Free Speech Union stepped in and organised an off-campus venue. So the event did go ahead, but no thanks to the University.

I had forgotten just how much I despise this programme.
This.
And I know I shouldn't, but I laughed when Philips said to the the last 'academic ', the lecturer in philosophy at Essex (who was wilfully wooly in her responses) 'so, if someone said you were thick and a trouble maker that would ok?'

This programme hammered home the BBC's deafening silence on women's rights, in relation to this particular iteration of men's rights. They can skim over the surface of Cancel Culture, but no further.

I noticed that the two men were quite happy to refer to the man Carla as 'she'. Melanie Phillips laboriously avoided using any pronouns for this male person. But this reinforces the low regard with which such men hold women.

Carla, whoever he is, gave the most preposterous justification for cancelling Kathleen Stock. Ie that it might be upsetting for students to know that someone says sex is real. He could give no other justification.

The two women academic troughers, fortunately for them, adhere to the creed. Perhaps they just think Kathleen Stock is a fool for not playing the game.

Well done Rishi Sunak for standing up for some one who I doubt would ever vote for him.

Yes, Carla was particularly pathetic - couldn't say why Kathleen Stock is wrong, but suggested it was traumatising for the little darlings to have her speaking so close to exam time. FFS!

There are thousands of us who have been cancelled in many ways through questioning this ideology and many, many more who see what happens and keep quiet.

That's what got me so angry and why I dont usually listen to this programme.

I come from a fairly anti-intellectual family and I try to overcome my early up bringing by believing that educated people have something to over!

But seriously what is the point of having a programme where you discuss things in theory (or use it to undermine another academic) but have no idea what is happening in practice.

Its a bit like how a lot of court cases rely on people who have been trained to talk and discuss in a way that has more to do with posh after dinner banter. It may be fun for those who are good at these game and know the rules, but had FA to do with how most of us are living our lives.

So winning a verbal battle on a Radio 4 programme which has no need to look at what is actually happening is just sheer self indulgence.

If they had immediately followed this with a news report looking at the wommen who are suffering in silence.

We need a web site where women can report annonymously what has happened to them.