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Historic SA on minors by GP - GMC's non-response!

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roaringmouse · 24/05/2023 21:40

I'm looking for input on something I consider to be in the public interest. I've been on Mumsnet for many years but this is my first time starting a thread. I don't want to drip feed, but at the same time I want to keep the detail relevant to the main issue.

When I was 15yrs old (more than 30yrs ago), I was sexually assaulted by a GP. I tried to report it several times over the following years, but there was no clear reporting mechanism back then. In my late 20's I tried again, and about the same time another person had made a similar complaint about the same GP, on behalf of their (minor) child. I was invited to an interview, and the police investigation led to the GP being charged and a jury trial at the Crown court.

From memory, there were about 8-10 people who testified to the jury. Our ages when we were sexually assaulted by the GP varied, but we were all patients, bar one person who had been the defendant's nurse assistant. None of us knew each other, but our accounts of the assaults were very similar. From the ages of the victims (several were minors, as I had been), and from the dates of the assaults, it was apparent the GP's behaviour had spanned at least 15 years by the date of his trial.

The jury returned a verdict of not guilty. After the trial, the General Medical Council wrote to inform me that the GP had been sent leaflets about maintaining professional boundaries. The GP is still practicing, and, at least last time I checked, in the same surgery he assaulted me at. He is also working as a consultant in the hospital where I was born.

I recently contacted the GMC to see whether there had ever been any kind of flag in this doctor's file: perhaps some indication to prompt further investigation if anyone else ever reported an incident. I was told there was no record, and as far as they could see, there never had been. The GMC acknowledged my case was serious, and that standards had changed. However, because the original incident was more than five years old, there was no mechanism to advance a complaint or flag the GP's file.

In retrospect, the trial outcome had been lamentably predictable. I expect in today's post-Saville and 'Me Too' enlightenment, there might be a different result. However, the lack of any remedy or precautionary measure taken by the GMC, or any part of the NHS, seems almost worse. To this day, as far as I can tell, there remains no mechanism to flag abuse to the GMC that dates back more than five years, whereas for me the issue has no time limit. Perhaps this particular GP has reformed, but if so it was not because he was censured in any way at all. I get he was found not guilty, but the burden of proof was beyond reasonable doubt, which as anyone knows, does not mean he wasn't actually guilty. Just that his guilt was not without doubt. In these kinds of situations, and where people in positions of authority and power have access to vulnerable people, I would've thought there should be some kind of warning system. As it stands, should another complainant have ever come forward with a complaint about this particular GP, there would be no way of linking it with any of the previous complaints.

Over the intervening years, I have felt so many emotions about this doctor, and what happened to me and to the other victims. I have tried to forget about it, as I did all I could to bring attention to the abuse all those years ago, but I can't ever seem to let it go completely.

Most of all I have been left deeply frustrated by the thought that, having tried to bring this person to account, he may have been emboldened by having 'gotten away with it' and he might have hurt someone else, or might yet be about to. My vivid memories, and my ongoing concern that others may still be in danger, has not allowed me to let this go.

But I don't know what else to do.

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 24/05/2023 22:18

I am sorry this happened to you. I know it's not an answer to all that has happened, but it's unlikely this man will be working for much longer. The youngest that someone can qualify as a GP is 28, and your assault happened 30 years ago, so the very youngest he can be is 58, and he is probably older, given that he had assaulted a number of people. Hopefully you will soon at least have the reassurance of knowing he is no longer practising.

ArabeIIaScott · 24/05/2023 22:45

I'm so very sorry, OP. How awful, to have gone through all that and then to have had no action taken.

IwantToRetire · 25/05/2023 00:22

It might be that the Centre for Women's Justice could help you.

They are quite a small organisation so cant take up every case but may have advice https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/

Or you could maybe get advice from your local Rape Crisis Helpline - you can search for your nearest contact (for England) via https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/

Centre for Women's Justice

https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk

IwantToRetire · 25/05/2023 00:28

Alternatively is there a local community group that monitors health provision in your area, and / or is one of the local councillors have responsibility for health provision n the area.

If so would you feel able to raise it with them.

But it must be so hard. Not only having to live with the memories but that the legal system failed you.

But think it is really fantastic that despite this failure of the systme to protect you, that you are still wanting to help others.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/05/2023 19:05

Well done for all you tried to do. I am shocked that there were so many independent witnesses at the trial yet he got away with the assaults, and there is no warning marker on him. It is shocking.

Did you and the other witnesses ever stay in touch with each other?

It sounds as though the GMC would rather not know. I wonder how many other cases like yours there are?

I am so very sorry for what happened to you, not just at the hands of the doctor, but the whole GMC reporting system, and the legal system 💐💐💐

snowbellsxox · 25/05/2023 19:12

This is disturbing. How did he get away with it!
I'm so sorry Flowers
I once had a male (worker) sent down (6months) for locking me in a room at the patrol station and trying to assault me.
The only reason he probably was found guilty was that they had cctv .. luckily.
It's a must these days otherwise it seems nobody wants to believe anyone.

roaringmouse · 25/05/2023 21:10

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Thank you for your response and yes, I have often thought about him retiring and wishing that that time would hurry up!

@ArabeIIaScott Thank you for your kind words.

@IwantToRetire Thank you for your response and suggestions. I will certainly consider those. The hardest thing about this, for me, has always been that I really tried, but ultimately failed, to prevent this so-called doctor from going on to hurt others. And to compound the frustration, that what we all testified, couldn't even serve as a warning, or red flag, to help safeguard others that might go on to experience the same. It makes me sick that he so brazenly did what he did for so long, and then got away with it, but I don't care about seeing him punished. I just wish I could've helped stop him and I still feel the injustice of that.

@ScrollingLeaves Thank you for your response. I still have the letter the Detective Inspector wrote to me following the trial, which says "I am utterly dismayed by this case. I still cannot understand how a jury can acquit this individual who faced such overwhelming evidence. You had the courage to tell the truth. I know that." Those words mean a lot to me to this day. The police supporting me at the time were very good, and that DI was so kind. I never met, or even saw, the other witnesses, but I know from my older sibling, who sat in the gallery, that some of those that had been minors at the time of the assaults, were particularly vulnerable. I recall that one young girl was living 'in care' and another was looking for contraception advice but didn't want to disclose this to her parents. Yes, the GMC definitely didn't care at all at the time, but even now, with the benefit of all that we now know about child abuse, people in positions of power, and predators more generally, they are unable, they say, to do anything (such as stick a flag on his file!) which could potentially help safeguard others.

@snowbellsxox Thank you for your response and I'm so sorry for what happened to you too. Yes, unfortunately there was no CCTV at that time. I think there was also this deferential attitude towards doctors back then, which I carried myself, that this couldn't possibly happen with a doctor! I remember thinking these very thoughts when he was actually assaulting me - that this was a doctor and so he couldn't possibly be doing what he was doing - literally as he was doing it!

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Pastsecrets · 25/05/2023 21:47

Hi, sorry this happened to you. This touched a nerve for me. Name changed for this as this is not something I freely talk about. I am 43, and can remember being sexually assaulted as a young child by a gp, I’m not sure of specifics like the surgery, the name of the gp or even how old I was, so I imagine I was quite young like maybe 5 or 6. The gp took me behind the curtain and my mum was on the other side. I have scattered memories, my mum upset later (maybe I told her?) and going back and shouting at someone (maybe the receptionist?) and saying ‘it’s wrong’ or something like that. It’s all a bit hazy as childhood memories are. But it’s stuck with me all my life. It affected me in various ways growing up, it’s only really as an adult that I’ve been able to see that. I remember as a teenager asking my mum one day outright about it, but she blustered and brushed it off, which put me off. She now has Alzheimer’s so I have lost my chance to hear any details/get it confirmed. I don’t have the kind of relationship with my dad where I would feel comfortable asking him. So it’s this horrible thing that I have in my past which I can never get clarification on or talk to anyone about (anyone who knew) which is frustrating. I guess it wouldn’t change much though. Reading your post, it makes me think maybe this was a bigger issue than anyone realised. I lived in Surrey at the time, I don’t suppose you did too when it happened? Just wondering if it could have been the same gp. You don’t have to answer that if it’s too outing. I remember him being quite old though so I doubt he would still be working.

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2023 01:07

@roaringmouse - I am sorry I dont have an definite suggestions but just thought some of these organisations might.

Over things I thought, but you may have already done, is to contact the GMC, say that you want re-assurance this GP isn't in family practice (even quote the detective) and is being monitored as a safeguarding issue. Even if found not guilty that fact that there was more than one complaint must have raised a concern that he was not behaving appropriately. (I think unfortunately, even in rape cases juries wont convict, not because they think it didn't happen but they dont want ot "ruin a man's reputaion" - which is just shocking)

Another thought, but can see this would be very hard on you, is if you are still living in the same area is trying anonymously through local newspapers or online community groups to find out if there are any others who have troubling memories of that time. And in fact even forming a survivor's support group could be something that might help you.

Obviously you would need to think carefully about how to do this.

Just a thought.

Best wishes.

PurpleBugz · 26/05/2023 07:24

I don't have any suggestions but wanted to say I believe you.

I had an incident happen with a GP when I was a young teen and wasn't believed. The not being believed was the worst part. Years later the GP was in the paper as others had accused him and he was held to account. I've had other abuses happen to me where they were not held to account and those ones do more hurt. This thread made me realise I don't think of the GP incident anymore that was a nice realisation. I hope someone here can advise what to do.

PurpleBugz · 26/05/2023 07:30

I'm not legally trained but do we have free speech enough that you could post on your local fb groups saying something like: FYI name of GP practicing at name of surgery was accused of this by this number of people in this year and found not guilty

Might get you in trouble though. I know I was forced to apologies for slander to someone who abused me. But if you stick to the factual found not guilty maybe it's aloud?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/05/2023 08:58

I don't think you should feel any responsibility for protecting other people at this stage, OP. You have already done your absolute best in this regard, by bravely going to the police and court. You could not have done more to try to keep others safe. You should now only do whatever is helpful for your own healing, otherwise there is a risk of re-traumatising yourself.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/05/2023 08:59

I think it would be almost unbearable if you did not have that letter from the detective.

One thing that helps now at GP surgeries, I think, is that it is expected that a female patient may ask for a female doctor, especially if there could be any need for a physical examination. Or ask for a chaperone in addition to a male doctor.

Recently, I saw a female doctor and even she asked if I would like a chaperone.

Thirty or forty years ago though it did not seem easy to demand a female doctor
and before that there too few to go round.

There must be many unreported cases of male doctor sexual abuse.

JaneBeyre · 26/05/2023 09:06

It's so unfair. I remember a psychologist saying to me 'First it's the church, next it will be the doctors, and next it will be the family' when it comes to SA victims being believed and offenders being held accountable. That has always stuck with me.

I have had several problematic encounters will male doctors over the years. I only see women now and am grateful to have that choice, but I can't imagine what they must have got away with over the years because they are so trusted and apparently beyond any kind of accountability.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Well done for speaking up. Shocking that he is still working. I know that in Australia doctors such as this man will have restrictions placed on them - ie only male patients - but it sounds like this isn't the case here. Really shocking but doesn't surprise me sadly.

roaringmouse · 26/05/2023 12:47

@PastsecretsThank you for your response and I'm so sorry for what happened to you too. It must be very hard to live with those partial memories and it's so sad to hear that your mum wasn't able to talk about it with you when you broached it with her. The GP that assaulted me works out of a joint practice in Essex, as well as in an Essex hospital. At the time of the assault, he was in his late twenties I think, although he seemed much older to me at the time.

@IwantToRetire Thanks again. I have been in contact with the GMC fairly recently, when I was trying to find out definitively whether or not there was any kind of flag on this GP's file. They sent a long letter, laying out why there was nothing further they could do, and this is quoted directly from that letter:

The allegations here are clearly very serious and there is a strong public
interest in ensuring that these are adequately investigated. However, our
actions are of course governed by our rules and legislation as well as
oversight by the High Court. Given the nature and timings of the decisions
and bearing in mind the legislative backdrop against which they were made
we have no legitimate legal power to review them.

@PurpleBugz Thank you for your kind words and I'm so sorry for what you also went through.

@JaneBeyre Thank you for your response and sorry you've had difficult encounters yourself. For many years I would only see female doctors, and still sometimes request this. It has also certainly informed how I've managed my children's interactions with any authority figures.

This case of former GP Manish Shah, has strong similarities to my own. This person is currently serving three life sentence https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-south/news/former-gp-jailed-life-sexually-assaulting-patients

Former GP jailed for life for sexually assaulting patients | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-south/news/former-gp-jailed-life-sexually-assaulting-patients

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dooneyousmugelf · 26/05/2023 13:02

A family member was sexually assaulted by her GP last year. Police took no action whatsoever (they asked him his 'side of the story' 🙄and that was it). GMC gave him the all clear to carry on at his practice. No justice. Family member is a professional in a similar role and it has fucked up her trust in everything.

Fiddlededeefiddlededoh · 26/05/2023 13:14

First it's the church, next it will be the doctors, and next it will be the family' when it comes to SA victims being believed and offenders being held accountable. That has always stuck with me.

Yes I think this is the case. As you say with the #metoo there has been a cultural shift and there is still more to happen but I believe it will. @roaringmouse I am so sorry you experienced this. There is so much to recovering from the trauma. I experienced it from a brother and then the big family carpet sweep. It does leave a taste. Human nature is incredibly complex but it can be extremely damaging. Xx

IwantToRetire · 26/05/2023 17:19

The allegations here are clearly very serious and there is a strong public
interest in ensuring that these are adequately investigated. However, our
actions are of course governed by our rules and legislation as well as
oversight by the High Court. Given the nature and timings of the decisions
and bearing in mind the legislative backdrop against which they were made
we have no legitimate legal power to review them.

So sorry @roaringmouse that must be so hard to read.

Where is the natural justice?

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