Attacking Dr Hilary Cass now - it was only a matter of time

[BromCavMum]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65687697

Cass has now been accused of nepotism by this Butler guy. I caught a bit of this report on live TV this evening and the reporter was so biased. I'm becoming more fed up with the BBC by the day.

Ffs, why haven’t they done their due diligence on who this guy actually is? 🙄

Just quickly replying to say that there’ve been two other threads on this today, based on the earlier website article.

Interestingly my reaction this morning to the BBC’s approach was basically the same as yours OP, but others interpreted it differently - as newsnight scrutiny of Butler.

"The consultant paediatric endocrinologist at University College London Hospitals (UCLH) told the conference of hundreds of transgender healthcare professionals how the Cass Review had highlighted the need to provide "developmentally appropriate healthcare for children and young people".

hundreds of transgender healthcare professionals? I read that as the healthcare professionals themselves are trans!😂

Must be the wpath conference right?

Yes the EPATH conference held in Dublin.

I didn't realise it was already on. I just saw tonight's story and the reporter- didn't catch her name- was bangin' on about the tavistock has helped so many youth etc, no mention of the articles points supporting Cass.

I'm not surprised either that this comes at the same time Falkner is being attacked.

I think it was Orwell that said something like, the further a society gets from the truth, the more those who speak it are attacked.

I'm paraphrasing, but I think the situation fits.

Was it not in Killarney, Co. Kerry, nearly 4 hours from Dublin.

yes, it might have been, I thought I’d read Dublin this morning but I’ve gone back and checked the bbc article and it says Ireland, it doesn’t say Dublin.

But referring to the hospitals, which will form these new hubs, Prof Butler appeared to question the need for a more diverse workforce, telling the conference that none of the staff had "any experience of management of gender incongruence in young people". He added: "It's shocking

Hang on. Gender incongruence?

What the fuck is 'gender incongruence' now?

Incongruence is: 'the state of not being suitable or not fitting well with something else'

So we are STERILISING kids because they are not suitable boys or girls?

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

EPATH made the conference center in Killarney change all the toilets to gender neutral. Irish media declined to comment much on what was discussed there, or that it was even on, and normally the toilet thing would have been used as click bait for programmes and print media, but it was Omerta .

(it’s a normal assumption it would be in Dublin, Killarney is difficult to get to.)

They never explain what they mean by those terms, do they? This is what I wrote on one of the other threads about this:

What is 'gender incongruence'? People like him should be made to define their terms unambiguously. And then we'd see that 'gender incongruence' just means not adhering to regressive stereotypes and/or being same-sex attracted. Then he can explain why any of these children need to be medicated.

Other thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4812800-tavistock-top-doctor-accuses-dr-cass-of-nepotism

Then he can explain why any of these children need to be medicated.

Ah! Ah! I know this one!

It's to improve their appearance congruence.

Increasing appearance congruence is a primary goal of GAH, and we observed appearance congruence improve over 2 years of treatment.

(Thanks to Jesse Singal for digging into this: https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/the-new-highly-touted-study-on-hormones )

I think they're not claiming anything more than "these people don't look like they want to look like" and the end result is "they look more like they want to look like".

It's a medical miracle. (And definitely not cosmetic treatment. No sir.)

You just have to spend a few hours on twitter to understand why young males want to change their appearance.

It's not pretty.

It's because they found out that the 'treatments' didn't actually improve mental health which had been the anticipated aim initially. But since they wanted to carry on doing their 'treatments' they had to come up with another aim. As Eliza Mondegreen says:

Incongruence makes no promises that transition will improve mental health, whereas treatments for gender dysphoria really ought to improve patients' quality of life overall....
So it’s much more convenient for clinicians to be able to say: We treated the patient's gender incongruence so it doesn't matter if the patient got worse on every other count. Xie didn't want breasts, we removed xir breasts, the treatment was a success!

https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/the-triumph-of-incongruence-over?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

This is how it was reported on Newsnight - slightly deminished by so much pre-reprting as what is was going to say (and relagated to second place by Newsnight who chose the death of Tina Turner to be the lead item) starts at about 25 mins in https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001m809/newsnight-singing-legend-tina-turner-dies-aged-83

I quite like the juxtaposition of these two paragraphs:

’But referring to the hospitals, which will form these new hubs, Prof Butler appeared to question the need for a more diverse workforce, telling the conference that none of the staff had "any experience of management of gender incongruence in young people". He added: "It's shocking."

‘In his role at UCLH, Prof Butler is responsible for prescribing medication including puberty blockers and hormones to young people who have been assessed by Gids as suitable for such treatments.’

It’s becoming more widely known that puberty blockers are controversial to the point where somebody (was it Susie Green?) suggested that they should be renamed with a less negative sounding name.

So to put his comment questioning whether different views and new perspectives are necessary beside the most controversial aspects of what he does is a good thing to do, even if it was accidental.

It also says he “appeared to question” and uses the word “diverse”. It’s currently anathema in many places to even hint that there should be less diversity. I know that’s not the kind of diversity Prof Butler was talking aboutm but it was an interesting word to use.