Guardian states absolute untruth on medical treatment

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In an article on Mississippi the Guardian included these paragraphs:

"Mississippi is among the US states that have pursued a barrage of restrictions pertaining to transgender youth medical care, sports participation and bathroom use. Earlier this year, the state’s conservative governor, Tate Reeves, signed into law a legislative bill which prohibits health professionals from providing both hormone treatments and surgical procedures to transgender minors.

Such gender-affirming care is medically necessary and potentially lifesaving for children and adults diagnosed with gender dysphoria."

That statement is categorically untrue and represents deliberate misinfomation. No gender affirming care is "medically necessary" for anyone, let alone children; and has no connection to "saving lives".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/21/trans-girl-mississippi-high-school-graduation

So ultimately the message that can be gleaned here from the Guardian overall is “being trans is nothing to do with the body and is all about how you relate to gender norms, but if anyone wants to change their bodies they must be allowed to do so, NO GATEKEEPING or they’ll have no option but to kill themselves because they can’t possibly come to terms with their sexed body.”

Seems about as coherent as usual.

As Nevo Zisin writes: “Pronoun use is not political correctness, it is suicide prevention.”

FFS!

Did anyone know that pronouns, if misused, can be weaponised? The MoD could save thousands.

Indeed, no gender shift inherent in that.

My school choir was always short of tenors, so as a low alto I often filled in - and it had no effect whatsoever on my identity. I was far more affected by the lower school choir segregating by height rather than voice and giving the tall group the descant part. That was physically painful (for those around me, as well as my own vocal chords).

The Mumsnet biscuit is longstanding tradition that roughly translates as 'don't be so silly, now go away'.

(Or more robust expressions of a similar sentiment, depending on exactly how ridiculous they 3are being and in what folder.)

It beggars belief that this person is suggesting that being an alto women's singing voice is somehow more masculine or male than being a soprano! Just total utter addled nonsense.

If I'm being generous perhaps this Madison person is just massively musically illiterate and doesn't know that alto is a female vocal range, perhaps mistaking it for tenor. But who knows?!

Alto here and also wearing a jumpsuit which is also ‘transy’ according to Madison! Woah gonna have to sort out my wardrobe and vocal cords?!?

Surely this isn’t real? It reads like some sort of Monty Python?

Sometimes I think the real issue is just that some people are rather dim.

wearing a jumpsuit which is also ‘transy’ according to Madison!

The 1970s called - the Charlie's Angels barbie dolls would like a word. i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/86/05/b8860534d230ef0e700faaa841c28a50.jpg

That is very much the conclusion I've reached. Not only from this article.

Yes, but when did the colossally dim start to be taken seriously instead of being laughed out of the room? Why are they asked to pontificate in broadsheet newspapers?

Having read some of Maddie's poetry, I'm surprised she got a book deal

The MN biscuit to me originated from a spring of meaning which includes the phrase 'i have nothing to say about this' (source; webchat with PM Gordon Brown about 15 years ago)

It includes a slightly more recent overlay which is 'do go away' and in general I think an academic study of the changes in the meaning of the MN biscuit would be v fruitful sociology

Sadly I find i do have something to say about this article, which is the birth certificate/assignment shite, and what I have to say is 'it's a record of your SEX SEX SEX sex sex sex unchangeable boring old SEX you SILLY person'.

I always thought the biscuit looked like a boob so was a way to call someone a tit.

It includes a slightly more recent overlay which is 'do go away' and in general I think an academic study of the changes in the meaning of the MN biscuit would be v fruitful sociology.

Agreed. One of the many things I love about MN is that it is a treasure trove of amusing and pithy coinages. The biscuit is perfection. I think the MN list of terms gives the meaning as "No comment" but it is more than that.

Sociolinguists used to believe that men were much adventurous in their use of language than women. Mumsnet has conclusively shown that idea the door.

Also agree about the SEX you SILLY person. Obvs.

What a shame though that the word ‘sex’ means a) your biological sex and b) nookie. Think of all the confusion that could have been averted if the word for biological sex was a unique word with no other meaning. Let’s say…. Gribble. So, in the Gribble box on forms or birth certificates or other documents, you’d write Male or Female and nobody would think to write Gribble? Yes please, haha! And then the word Gender would never have been used as a polite alternative to Gribble because Gribble would have been just fine on its own. Then there’d have been no misinterpretation of the Equality Act because Gribble would mean Gribble and the word ‘gender’ would refer to that intangible floaty concept based on stereotypes associated with a person’s immutable, unchangeable Gribble. I think I need to lie down.

I always thought the MN biscuit sort of implied the poster was behaving like a toddler in need of a snack. 'Have a biscuit and get a grip' kind of thing.

Perhaps the Guardian has been following the guidance in this?

https://twitter.com/ILGAEurope/status/1660570969201692673?s=20

Total medical bullshit from the guardian.

On the original article though, I’m with the young person who wanted to wear what they wanted to the graduation ceremony. They have made the qualification for the graduation and want to wear items on the dress code - that should be ok. Sounds like a repressive sexist school to me - girls uniform is a white dress!!! It’s graduation not a purity ceremony. All school uniforms should be non gender segregated.

I am gender critical. I’m not pro what appears to be a sexist right wing America. I do have sympathy for gender stereotype non conforming teens growing up in these places. If boys have to be macho and do sports and girls have to wear white dresses and be all pure etc no wonder people question their gender - if the only solution to not being a boy that likes American football/hunting and wearing plaid shirts available is to be trans no wonder people take it. The conservative right is just as much a problem in this as the woke left.

Second article …..oh no

There are no pink or blue boxes on birth certificates (at least not in the uk is the author Australian?) nor do they ask for gender. They ask for sex which until a few years ago simply meant - what gonads does the baby have.

I’m beginning to wonder if sex should even be recorded on a birth certificate as I am struggling to see what purpose it fulfils . There probably does need to be local and national recording of number of each sex of babies born to ensure correct demographic information on the population, future planning of healthcare and to keep a general eye to ensure “missing girl babies” problem of India/China doesn’t become a phenomena here but that could be recorded anonymously on a database. But why does the government need to know on an individual level if baby Jo Blogs is a female Jo or a male Jo? They don’t have pictures so their not used for identity like a passport - can see why that has sex, think some countries have eye colour as well etc - that’s to allow you to recognise the person but a birth certificate doesn’t do that. It would solve all of the “gender assigned at birth” nonsense and as a side effect make it much easier for the families of the vanishingly small amount of intersex babies born who feel pressured to make a decision on sex by an arbitrary deadline (and those who’s intersex presents later who are truly miss-sexed by the birth certificate)

Medical records (which have no link to the birth certificate) could simply state “(normal) external female genitalia observed” or “(normal)external male genitalia observed” which when I was filling in such forms is what I wrote on the baby check paperwork (as well as the obligatory M/F in the sex box) We could then divide up the currently sex dependant medical screening based on the recoded presence of male external genitalia or female external genitalia (and correct then easily when we find the internal sexual organs don’t match the external in certain conditions). Gender is irrelevant to biology.

Quite a few female tenors in my choir !

They are unlikely to be able to sing the lower notes of the tenor range, even if contralto. The singing ranges significantly overlap, and it is the top and bottom of the ranges that distinguish the voice. And of course, a lower vocal range in a female singer is not more masculine than a soprano one. There are not enough eyerolls available in the world to express my contempt for that idiotic thought process from Madison.

If Madison ever comes across a countertenor, it will blow Madison's mind.

I’m not surprises to see a repressive and regressive state like Mississippi banning young women from wearing trousers to a graduation ceremony.

Their hatred of gender variance is only eclipsed by their hatred for the rights of women.