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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

..Because there's no such thing as women's rights...

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CreateaUsername27 · 20/05/2023 15:02

Vidio from Mattie Watkins twitter feed https://twitter.com/uhohwoman of a woman saying that 'there is no such thing as women's rights' (toward the end of the 3min clip) because she is non-binary and so people like her would not be included.

It just goes to show how much you loose without plain language to describe things, it's really sad to see where this is ending up.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1659680000218640385

https://twitter.com/i/status/1659680000218640385

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nilsmousehammer · 20/05/2023 15:30

The degree of confusion in some people is really quite sad to behold.

Yes. Women are protected by law. However they happen to identify at the time. Their sex does not at any point change.

And if a woman currently does not want to identify as a woman, or wishes to deny having those rights, that's her choice, but the massive majority of women will go on existing and needing them while she's gone, and those rights will still continue to be there for her any time she happens to be unlucky enough to discover that she needs them.

Men do not need those rights regardless of their gender, because they are sex based and specifically needed only by those born with female biology.

BigMosLittleSister · 20/05/2023 16:36

nilsmousehammer · 20/05/2023 15:30

The degree of confusion in some people is really quite sad to behold.

Yes. Women are protected by law. However they happen to identify at the time. Their sex does not at any point change.

And if a woman currently does not want to identify as a woman, or wishes to deny having those rights, that's her choice, but the massive majority of women will go on existing and needing them while she's gone, and those rights will still continue to be there for her any time she happens to be unlucky enough to discover that she needs them.

Men do not need those rights regardless of their gender, because they are sex based and specifically needed only by those born with female biology.

It's really that simple, isn't it? Why people have to complicate it, I really struggle to understand!

TheGreatATuin · 20/05/2023 17:59

Fascinating. You'd think that that realisation would have her going 'Wait a minute, maybe there's a flaw in this whole non-binary concept' but no, she decides women's rights can't be a thing. People are tying themselves in absolute knots to defend this stuff.
I wonder what she'd call rights for female people then. Be nice if we had a name for it. I mean I know what I'd call it...

nepeta · 20/05/2023 19:58

Yes. I think I copied this from MN, but perhaps from elsewhere, but it is directly relevant here:

As the philosopher Clare Chambers warns, “If a category is removed before the oppression that creates it, the oppression stays in place but the ability to describe it is lost.” This is only a problem for members of the oppressed class, though. For everyone else, it’s simply a title change.

And this is my main feminist reason for opposing gender identity as a secular religion. It erases the name for basis of one of the main axes of exploitation (sex, race, and class), but does not care about erasing that exploitation at all.

My personal reason for opposing the gender identity as a secular religion is not only that I am not a believer, but that it imposes an identity I do not possess on me ('cis') and suggests that being a woman is now a category based on sexist stereotypes or demeaning porn-influenced views of what some male people think being a woman is.

I understand the desire to escape that by becoming 'nonbinary', but it won't work, because the mistreatment of women and girls is based on sex and nonbinary people are still either male or female; the latter just want a private contract with patriarchy to exlude them from the general contempt towards female people, at the cost of the rest of us.

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