Filmmaker Lilly Wachowski explains that trans pornography made him trans

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https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472

There it is, straight from the horse's mouth. A video to show to anyone still skeptical that there are men driven to transition by sexual arousal and fetishism.

Are we allowed to call this AGP?

He wanted to become "desirable." Gulp.

He said the quiet part out loud.

I wonder how desirable LW is to other humans of any proclivity.

And how desirable LW would be if LW wasn't very powerful and influential in the film industry, having leveraged male privilege in that sector most of LW's career.

It wasn't love Wachowski was after, it was sex.

It's the ubiquitous reason for transition. imo of course.

Men pester women for sex, and therefore think that women can have sex whenever they like, so if they become one, hey presto.

Or Fay Presto.

This is very much on the same theme

a-pornified-view-of-womanhood

Yes mate, we know.

What is bizarre to me is that Wachowski is absolutely saying the quiet bit out loud, that it's all sex driven, but somehow between the words leaving their mouth and entering the ears of the interviewer, they go through some sort of sanitation translation.

Yes, yes, it's all totally understandable that you appropriate womanhood, because it's a sexual fetish and it turns you on.

I think that this is probably obviously sexual to people who already know about AGP, but those who don't will tend to interpret it differently. They will see it as saying, I blocked out my true womanly nature due to fear that I would not be attractive or loved by anyone, but when I saw that I could be, I finally understood my true self.

What is bizarre to me is that Wachowski is absolutely saying the quiet bit out loud, that it's all sex driven

I don't think they can stop themselves. Even if, as they say the words, they're aware they're damaging their own cause. For some trans people, having a non-dysphoria motivation, they can't resist the utter compulsion, with the ideal being saying it all and people (ie women) still being compelled to provide support and validation.

Yes the compulsion is more than just about the sex, clearly.

This is an illuminating thread about transvestic fetishism.

Michelle Kelly
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A paraphilic disorder isn't just a kink. It's obsessive and intense...those affected will go to extreme lengths to satisfy their compulsion. Paraphilias are often also comorbid with trauma, mental illness, substance abuse and, worryingly, antisocial personality disorder and lack of empathy

https://twitter.com/mkellypalm/status/1659646344577818649?s=21&t=_kKEvbiLq1bTjZp-nEQSCw

I think that this is probably obviously sexual to people who already know about AGP, but those who don't will tend to interpret it differently. They will see it as saying, I blocked out my true womanly nature due to fear that I would not be attractive or loved by anyone, but when I saw that I could be, I finally understood my true self.

Agreed. However, I think this may help many people make that leap because there is already lots of concern about teenagers thinking that what is portrayed in porn is a healthy loving relationship. The fact that this person reduced their description of love and vulnerability to porn and sex is very revealing. It'll at least result in a conversation opener to anyone who already has that wider concern about porn.

I'm increasingly noticing links with addiction and addition behaviours.

Or Fay Presto.

😂

True.

If (when) I share this in my real life conversations about gender identity, I'll be making it very clear that it is solely about this aspect, not about young children who grow up with gender dysphoria. The line at which young boys become young adolescent fetishist adults is impossible to know but this very much isn't what's behind all male gender dysphoria.

I do remember Richie Tullip (detransitioner) saying in an interview with Benjamin Boyce that it was quite an eye opener to him how he and many other young adolescents were being encouraged to have surgery by men who still had their penises "and I know now it's because they had a fetish" (paraphrased). I had absolutely no idea what fetish he was referring to when I heard it so I made a mental note to find out. He was the first male detransitioner I listened to. Well worth a listen IMO, although it's about young gay men like himself transitioning, not this side of everything.

Sorry that's ambiguous. "About this aspect" being GAP (please rearrange). Not just addiction.

I am baffled as to how/why the WHO took trans out of the category of mental disorders.

Beccause they were told to, by a politically powerful, rich lobby.

Compare this to sufferers of chronic fatigue syndrome and ME: despite repeated evidence from sufferers and years of campaigning, backed up by evidenced research that exercise and psychology would not 'fix' this and that it was not a mental illness, it was only very, very recently that NICE guidelines went out to doctors to state that GET (graded exercise therapy) should not be offered as actively harmful to patients and the cause of many becoming severely more ill.

The money and political power behind those providing GET was a much stronger incentive than evidence and patient interest. And this was not a fashionable group with good PR and corporate benefit ops.

I am baffled as to how/why the WHO took trans out of the category of mental disorders.

It's deep politics and is to do with a decades-long project to reframe trans from being understood as a paraphilia to being akin to homosexuality. This article here is illustrative:

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/proposed-dsm-5-revisions-sexual-and-gender-identity-disorder-criteria/2010-08

If you want to know anything about trans, in the sense of "how did we end up here?", much of the "establishment" material available over the past decade is so captured as to be highly misleading.

It's bizarre that many people seem not to be aware that AGP is a thing. One of the first transexuals I met was the partner of a female friend who she found out was cross-dressing. When she asked him why he didn't just 'become' a woman, he told her that he could but he would be an ugly woman and "there's no point in being an ugly woman".

His brother had a similar back story to his transing:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Mystery of Larry Wachowski (old Rolling Stone article, quietly deleted many years ago).

Both of them very pornsick men.

Wow. There are some very interesting aspects of that whole story.
Particularly the middle parts around where the psychologist is quoted.

I am not a conspiracy theory person, but it seems more and more that many of these global institutions, like the WHO, and the UN, are completely immersed in western progressive ideology. They seem to have accepted that all the sacred ideas of that perspective are what should be pushed in every country.

Which is bizarre, given that they are meant to be world-wide, and the majority of the world isn't made up of western liberal progressives. It seems like a recipe to make sure many countries ultimately reject having anything to do with these organizations.

Definitely saying the quiet part out loud.

I totally get that some men will be attracted to being objectified, not just like a woman, but as a woman. And become fixated on it.

LW says here it was 'to be loved'. And yet, what part of pornography makes you feel love for the participants?

I think there's such a denial here. I feel the reasons for men to be objectified as a 'beautiful woman', are different to women's motivations to be beautiful and objectified.

For women isn't it self esteem and confidence? To be seen as a desirable woman? For men, it's sexual right?

They say it was to 'reduce stigma' and also mumble mumble 'the science' (unspecified) and it wasn't only because of pressure groups: