Andrew Miller child abduction: Remarkably clear reporting

[NyanBinaryJohn]

Remarkably clear reporting from the BBC.

Man, dressed as woman, in process of transition, called he/him throughout the article. I thought that transition was covered in the IPSO guidelines about using pronouns, but I am really glad to see that they stuck to his original pronouns.

Is the tide turning?

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429

Either that or they don’t want to be mean about transwomen so try and distance it a bit…

So we are no longer believing people are who they say they are?

There was never anything ever going to be wrong with that mantra, was there? It was always a chapter out of an abuser’s manual.

Let’s start with the easy bit, people who attack other people should NEVER be allowed to obscure their identity by hiding behind pronouns. Well done BBC

I see it as trans people are trans people until they are criminals.

A great way to reduce the stats of the number of transwomen who commit crimes is to deny they are trans.

Has there been an editorial decision? Such as, if no official change of name then use legal name plus "also known as" for any other or preferred name.

Or is it just that this individual has only given one, male, name to the authorities and been charged under it, and has not demanded to be referred to as female?

Or does rapist gender take masculine pronouns? A linguistic conundrum.

I see it as trans people are trans people until they are criminals.

So not acceptance without exception then.

Excellent. We're getting somewhere. They keep on contradicting themselves and it's fabulously helpful of them.

This item really stood out to me in the website. Real, factual reporting. Well done BBC.

As was said on another thread, what does it mean to be in the process of transition? I thought we were meant to take people at their word at the moment they declare themselves to be of either sex and we should instantly refer to them in that way? So is he trans or not BBC?

I don't understand the BBC's thinking. This particular pervert has been living 'as a woman' for much longer than Isla claimed to be, and using a female name. It smacks of rank hypocrisy. I would like to see their justification. I think they go their fingers burned with Isla, having previously referred to him as 'a woman' and 'her', they couldn't back track when it all blew up. With this guy, they got ahead of it. Forewarned by the Isla debacle there's no backtracking to do. I don't think they've changed, this case is too high profile for them to try their shenanigans and it involved a child.

See what you did there, cake, that is awesome 🤩 Shenanigans indeed

The BBC article says he appeared in court as Andrew Miller and was addressed that way throughout so I guess that's why they have reported it that way. But I think regardless of that, they have reported factually, he is a man. Its important that the public understand there are lots of men out there who are using the trans gravy boat to access women and children.

The BBC article says he appeared in court as Andrew Miller and was addressed that way throughout

This. So no, the tide isn't turning. If he'd appeared as 'Amy George' and claimed to be a TW, then presumably it would have been 'she' and 'her' throughout the article.

But the fact that the court refuse to use his transition name (rare, especially in Scotland, they normally use preferred names and pronouns regardless of a GRC) and the BBC factually reporting it (unheard of) is a massive change from what we've been seeing in the last few years.

Just reported on Radio 4. The report was in terms of him being a he and being Andrew Miller, but at the end of the report they stated that he also went by a feminine name and that he was in the process of transitioning.

I suspect he didn't give any name but Andrew Miller to the police, that he signed any documents with that name, and that he didn't demand to be called by the female name or by female pronouns

I very much doubt there was any refusal by the court

Hopefully no chance of this vile, depraved man ending up in a women's prison then?

I suspect he didn't give any name but Andrew Miller to the police, that he signed any documents with that name, and that he didn't demand to be called by the female name or by female pronouns

I very much doubt there was any refusal by the court

That is a fair point. I do live in hope though that this will remind courts to stick to using info which is objectively true.

At least the BBC are reporting that he also dressed as a woman, and was transitioning. I’d have made a bet a few months ago that they would have missed out that piece of information.

We are getting there bit by bit.

I wonder if one reason for him using his male name etc is that he isn't interested in accessing women's prison, as his interest is in girl children, rather than adult women.

I'm thinking he chose that name so when released could go by the other one.

I don’t think it’s well done BBC sadly. Rather that this individual chose male pronouns. If he’d chosen female ones the BBC would have gone along with it.

I don’t want to depress you, but all that this reflects is the defendant’s decision to be tried as a man. I expect his counsel suggested he do so to minimise media coverage.

Court reporting is very constrained by what happens in court that day. Which is why court reporting on days the defence is taking place will only be about the defence, and at the bottom it will just say “the case continues”.

If he had said he’s being tried as a man, it will be reported he’s a man in court. Had he said he was a woman, it would have been written up differently.

But his decision just shows how much clearer the journalism is if you’re not constrained by pronouns.

The girl told the court that she accepted the lift because Miller was "a lady" - probably made the mistake because he was obscured in the car and not easy to see make out the reality at first glance.

Yet the TRAs constantly tell us that the trans ideology isn't used for nefarious reasons and we are slandering them by implying it can be. How long can this ideology's disciples maintain this lie I wonder?

It would appear to be impossible to charge a person with rape while calling them a woman.

Section 1 Rape involves penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by a penis, therefore a woman can only commit this offence as an accomplice.

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