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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 20:01

There will be a lot of people unhappy about Lotus Eaters content being posted here... Harrington is fascinating but this fuels "GC to white supremacist pipeline" rhetoric

RealityFan · 17/05/2023 20:08

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 20:01

There will be a lot of people unhappy about Lotus Eaters content being posted here... Harrington is fascinating but this fuels "GC to white supremacist pipeline" rhetoric

There is no pipeline. I've got a novel idea, how about the BBC, Guardian, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo etc etc talk to some more GC voices. Y'know, Kara Dansky and Abi Shrier and Lynn Selin Davis and Colin Wright etc in the US...and Kath Stock and Helen Joyce and Jo Bartosch and Jon Pike and Emma Hilton etc over here.

Then maybe GC voices wouldn't be stuck with little to no choice who allows their voices to be heard.

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 20:33

I wouldn't say right wing platforms are Harringtons last resort. Far from it. She has led me to many weird and wonderful places far from the mainstream and I thank her for it. She is also not very representative of the standard GC position. That's all OK.

RealityFan · 17/05/2023 20:51

One of the most insidious things about the TRA movement is how defacto what were mainstream opinions 5 minutes ago are viewed as reactionary and extreme, and how radicalism and cults 5 minutes ago are now received opinion.

I will never forgive the Left for driving this outcome.

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 21:08

Nor I

nilsmousehammer · 17/05/2023 21:17

Wanting to retain equality is 'reactionary' is it?

Yeah mate, the other one's got bells on.

Dwtes8 · 17/05/2023 21:41

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 20:01

There will be a lot of people unhappy about Lotus Eaters content being posted here... Harrington is fascinating but this fuels "GC to white supremacist pipeline" rhetoric

Lotus eaters is great. Its centre right opinion on the podcast but I like that because I’m right wing too as are about half the country. And that is only the podcast bit of their output.

Their other shows are great too, they let interesting guests with a lot to say come on and say their piece rather than shouting over the top of them and looking for got ya TV moment.

Letting an interesting author like Mary Harrington make her case without constant interruptions and attempts to trip her up leads for a higher quality output than you can get on TV and you can learn a lot or just get a lot of new perspectives to consider.

I just don’t see any problems with any of this at all. So what if someone has opinions you don’t agree with, that’s life. By all means go on a leftwing podcast and do the same thing if they will have you on.

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Dwtes8 · 17/05/2023 21:54

nilsmousehammer · 17/05/2023 21:17

Wanting to retain equality is 'reactionary' is it?

Yeah mate, the other one's got bells on.

Well I think that’s how Mary describes her self, as a reactionary feminist.

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Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 22:01

It's a distinctive brand of feminism

TheSilveryPussycat · 17/05/2023 23:48

And what distinguishes it?

(Am old, so don't know current meaning of reationary.)

DemiColon · 18/05/2023 01:35

TheSilveryPussycat · 17/05/2023 23:48

And what distinguishes it?

(Am old, so don't know current meaning of reationary.)

She's basically suggesting a revisiting of some of the assumptions feminist thought has made in the past, in light of the outcomes of those assumptions.

One of her major ideas that informs a lot of her assessments is that the idea of progress as such is a misunderstanding of how society works, there is no movement towards some better and better end, much less an ideal end.

Rather, social rules, laws, political structures, and institutions, represent attempts for a society to function effectively within a certain set of constraints. Those constraints may be fairly constant in some cases, like human nature, human reproduction, the necessity to feed ourselves, raise children, care for the elderly. Or they may change, like technology, available economic capital or infrastructure. What might be a workable solution in one environment will not be in another, and when the environment changes, systems that may have worked in the past may no longer work.

She also says that in many cases, these arrangements involve trade-offs, and it's important to acknowledge what those are.

dcbc1234 · 18/05/2023 03:39

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 21:08

Nor I

Nor me three. I shall remain centre-right from now on rather than centre-left as I was for most of my adult life, as I have realised how important freedom of speech is. The only reason the UK is now able to push back against genderwoo is because the governing party whilst partially 'falling for it', nevertheless allowed dissent and had many MPs who remained alive to biological realities.
The Tories are ever pragmatic and since the public are now realising the implications (thanks to male rapists in Women's prisons, the cheats in sport and the dire sex education content in schools) of this ideology, the Tories are happy/relieved to be able to acknowledge women's sex-based rights and child-safeguarding.
There have clearly been malevolent forces at work across the western world over the last decade (maybe longer), enforcing this ideology 'under the radar' as per Dentons' Trojan Horse method. It beggars belief that this has happened in democratic countries with free speech rights.

Dwtes8 · 18/05/2023 15:18

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 20:01

There will be a lot of people unhappy about Lotus Eaters content being posted here... Harrington is fascinating but this fuels "GC to white supremacist pipeline" rhetoric

Well if they’re so intolerant that they believe a media outlet should be blanket banned or not posted then I hope they don’t complain when activists try to shut their sites down. What’s good for the goose is good for the duck.

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Dwtes8 · 18/05/2023 15:23

dcbc1234 · 18/05/2023 03:39

Nor me three. I shall remain centre-right from now on rather than centre-left as I was for most of my adult life, as I have realised how important freedom of speech is. The only reason the UK is now able to push back against genderwoo is because the governing party whilst partially 'falling for it', nevertheless allowed dissent and had many MPs who remained alive to biological realities.
The Tories are ever pragmatic and since the public are now realising the implications (thanks to male rapists in Women's prisons, the cheats in sport and the dire sex education content in schools) of this ideology, the Tories are happy/relieved to be able to acknowledge women's sex-based rights and child-safeguarding.
There have clearly been malevolent forces at work across the western world over the last decade (maybe longer), enforcing this ideology 'under the radar' as per Dentons' Trojan Horse method. It beggars belief that this has happened in democratic countries with free speech rights.

I’m right wing and I’m not a feminist and even I find Mary’s ideas fascinating. I think she’s one of the few real original thinkers that are around today.

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NotHavingIt · 18/05/2023 15:27

Pinesinthedunes · 17/05/2023 22:01

It's a distinctive brand of feminism

I don't think she sees it as a brand so much as a direction of travel; and a response to the current feminist wave.

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