I thought I was a liberal mother, then my daughter came out as trans

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This is the title of an article in the Telegraph that isn't behind a paywall.

The article is very similar to some that have been posted on FWR (but maybe had somesort of editing as parts read quite oddly).

Unfortunately the comments posted suggest that despite the number of articles the Telegraph has published about trans issues it certainly hasn't educate all of their readers. More interested in blaming the mother, and the fact that she wasn't upset that her daughter had said she was a lesbian, but was that she said she was trans.

Makes me doubt that having right wing papers published gender critical aware articles isn't actually achieveing much.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/liberal-mother-daughter-came-out-trans/

essentially it gives legal powers over a child's welfare to anyone but the parent

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That's a slippery hop over a boundary that needs putting back ASAP. In both your and my example, if we have no parental rights in this respect our children are on a potential pathway to something that could be wrong for them and may involve them making irreversible decisions about their bodies at a young age, without being mature or informed enough whilst also being subject to an unconscious bias that pulls them towards a particular decision. Parents are critical in children's safeguarding.

Bonfire I agree that there should be discussion before removing boundaries. I’m also keen that the reasons for having those boundaries in the first place are thoroughly understood before we just rip them up.

Fundamentally though, my position would be that we need some spaces to be single-sex. Where they don’t need to be single-sex, then allow them to be mixed. If it’s not ok to let men into a particular women’s space, there would need to be a very specific argument (and I can’t see what it would be) to allow a transwoman in

This seems to me especially important with children. If it is ok to allow a transwoman to support girl guides, then why not any other man (one of the girl’s fathers, who already works with children in another capacity say?)

If it is ok to allow a transwoman to support girl guides, then why not any other man (one of the girl’s fathers, who already works with children in another capacity say?)

This is a very good example of @Hagosaurus 's point. It's exactly the kind of question that needs to be explored by all angles. Hopefully someone will pose it respectfully by trying to be a male leader in the capacity of a guide's father or similar. When there is push back it's the perfect time to open the debate. Handled in a calm and respectful way, with the guide senior leadership, it could open up some interesting relective conversations. At the very least it opens up a general male safeguarding debate, and the chance to then explore what is important about this general principle. The next step would be to apply it to all biological men. I can see that being achievable if it's handled the right way.

Yes as a Telegraph subscriber, I can confirm that most commentators are as enraged as me about 'gender woo' now the issues are being openly discussed in the press.
Only subscribers can comment and they usually do so under their real names, so they are pretty civil on the whole and people explain points where they think sth has been misunderstood.
98% of comments accept biological realities and many posters lament how has this all happened under a 'Conservative' government, many people refer to them as the 'faux-Conservatives'. They are seen as too left-wing by 'Torygraph' readers.
It was very pleasant reading the comments on the Stock article with my morning coffee yesterday.