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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ollie Locke -Times Article

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OhHolyJesus · 14/05/2023 21:44

I missed this article from last week (and started a new thread as I see previous threads are locked so I cannot revive one of the older threads on this public figure.)

My observations:

  1. The surrogate mother contacted Ollie through social media "Ward searched Instagram for Ollie Locke, one of the stars of the reality show, which follows the lives of rich, young people living in the affluent London borough — and sent him a direct message."
  2. Rebecca's age isn't mentioned but the ages of the two men are.
  3. Other women have already been 'used' as for their wombs and eggs "Failed attempts with a Brazilian egg-donor and two embryo transfers in Mexico and Cyprus had ended in heartbreak. “I’d seen Ollie and Gareth going through this,” says Ward, 35, who is originally from Co Durham. “They’d just lost their second pregnancy at six weeks, so I just messaged saying that it broke my heart and that if I could help in any way, please just let me know.”
  4. And "That private message led to a short exchange, which led to a Zoom call or two and, a few weeks later, an initial lunch meeting at J Sheekey restaurant, in London’s Covent Garden." (Imagine writing back to an unsolicited DM from a stranger and it progressing to a multiple pregnancy - Rebecca is expecting twins.
  5. "They began the surrogacy process almost immediately" so no time to form that long-term friendship and trust we are told is the bedrock of Uk 'altruistic' surrogacy
  6. Without comment "They used a donor egg from a London egg bank that was fertilised with a mix of both men’s sperm, meaning they won’t know who the genetic father is."
  7. "Since then, the trio have been sharing their story with the world, not only via the hit TV show, which Ward has appeared on, but via Instagram posts documenting their journey." Rebecca has become a public figure too, to some degree, as a result of the approach and subsequent pregnancy.
  8. Many women came forward offering to be a surrogate. “It’s a weird thing because you have to wonder, with our backgrounds, what the intentions and motivations of people reaching out are. That’s always the concern because you’re like, ‘Does someone want to do this because they see us on TV?’ ” But they say it was clear from the beginning that Ward’s motivations were altruistic."
  9. Also without comment "Ward has faced criticism — both from people close to her and the public messaging her on social media — but says the response has been positive overall. “There’s just a few people that are saying ‘Anyone can buy anything these days’ or ‘How can you just give a child up like that?’ but they’re just not educated on the matter,” she says. “I’m not selling a child. I’m not giving my child away. I’m basically an oven and I’m helping to create a family because I believe everyone should have that chance.”
  10. And "There have been other hurdles too, such as breaking the news to her children Buddy, eight, and Rudy, five. Ward was particularly worried about her eldest, she says, who was more aware of what was going on. “I wanted to make sure he was happy. We had a lot of conversations. I remember the first one we had. He cried and said he didn’t want me to do it. But then we got books to help him understand and now he’s so happy for me to help create a family for someone else.” and later "“I’ve made sure my boys don’t feel too attached — but I suppose it’s really, really good we’re all maintaining a relationship"
  11. "The couple estimate the process has cost upward of £200,000. Locke has an estimated fortune of £8 million...Having planned to conceive in the US — where they would be entitled to more information about their egg donor — the couple and their surrogate were diverted by Covid restrictions to Mexico, where they went through one unsuccessful round of IVF. When the country was put on the red travel list, they paid for five embryos to be transferred to Cyprus, having been banned from bringing them into the UK because they’d started the process abroad and it was incompatible with UK rules. When that second attempt ended in miscarriage, at six weeks and two days, “doctors advised we seek another surrogate”, says Locke." Doctors advised? I suspect the incompability with the rules was because the egg donors had anonymity which is not permitted in the UK.
  12. . If we weren’t, I’d still be able to see them grow up in the public eye, but this way I can see them privately,” says Ward, adding that is “super-proud” of what she is doing. “Why shouldn’t everyone have the chance to become parents and to have a family of their own? That’s what we’re put here for, I think.” Women are not put here for this.

I saw Ollie Locke on Made in Chelsea and became his surrogate (thetimes.co.uk)

I saw Ollie Locke on Made in Chelsea and became his surrogate

Bex Ward helped Ollie and Gareth Locke start the family they have longed to have

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-saw-ollie-locke-on-made-in-chelsea-and-became-his-surrogate-q5hqr8h9z

OP posts:
TangledUpinBlu · 14/05/2023 21:50

Gross.
I thought baby trafficking was illegal.
Just gross. Silly woman will be dropped like last season's Prada handbag quicker than she can say goo goo gah gah.

ArabeIIaScott · 14/05/2023 22:04

'I’m basically an oven'

JFC.

ArabeIIaScott · 14/05/2023 22:05

'That’s what we’re put here for, I think.'

Holy fucking shitballs.

Weallgottachangesometime · 14/05/2023 22:10

Urgh. The fact her poor kids didn’t want her to do it and that didn’t even make a difference.
I just don’t get how anyone could do this or ask someone else to do it for them. Horrendous.

Mariposa26 · 14/05/2023 22:28

Point 3 contradicts point 2 I think? Her age is given as 35. Agree with you - women are not put here for this!

JacquelinePot · 14/05/2023 22:33

Surrogacy is abhorrent. The celebrity element is just the cherry on the cake.

Shelefttheweb · 14/05/2023 22:38

She will be disappointed when she is dropped after the babies are born.

Freezylap · 14/05/2023 22:41

Shelefttheweb · 14/05/2023 22:38

She will be disappointed when she is dropped after the babies are born.

Absolutely this. They will want nothing to do with her.

FisherthemsFriend · 14/05/2023 22:47

There was another cast member on MIC at a similar time to OL who had a very difficult birth last year and has PTSD / trauma (can’t remember specifics other than it affected her for months and months and probs still does now). You can have all of the money in the world as a woman and birth can still affect you physically and mentally in a way that these men will never know.

nepeta · 14/05/2023 23:03

Oven...

TheBiologyStupid · 15/05/2023 15:21

ArabeIIaScott · 14/05/2023 22:04

'I’m basically an oven'

JFC.

Yup - unbelievable!

nilsmousehammer · 15/05/2023 16:45

Who the hell is raising female humans to think so little of themselves?

TheBiologyStupid · 15/05/2023 17:01

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 15/05/2023 17:07

The oven line is horrifically ignorant. It’s like the sort of misogyny you’d get in Ancient Greece, not in the 21st century with all we have learned about gestation in the meantime.

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