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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Parliamentary staff urged to police pronouns and ‘identify transphobia’

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IwantToRetire · 13/05/2023 20:06

The UK Parliament authorities have drawn up gender-identity guidance for hundreds of civil servants working in administrative roles in the House of Commons and Lords, which has been circulated internally for the last three years.
One section of the 15-page guide warns that staff should “learn to identify what transphobic behaviour looks like and understand that these must be met with an attitude of zero-tolerance”.
It lists examples including “another colleague refusing to use a trans person’s preferred pronouns or names”, adding that this “should be dealt with in an appropriate manner”.

The pamphlet, obtained by The Telegraph, has been criticised by campaigners and a senior MP as “concerning” and “compelled belief”.

The guidance also says that staff who keep Parliament running behind the scenes can “use the facilities that match your gender identity or that most closely align with it”, with both single-sex and gender-neutral facilities available.

It goes on: “It is your choice and we will support you to access the toilets, showers and changing rooms that feel right for you at that time. It may be that you access both male and female facilities, which we support.”

This is despite single-sex spaces being protected by the Equality Act 2010. The guide states several that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under this law, but fails to mention that sex is protected too.

Parliamentary staff are also urged to ensure that “trans experiences are celebrated” and that “trans colleagues feel comfortable bringing their authentic self to work”.

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Original article is in the Telegraph but reproduced by yahoo Parliamentary staff urged to police pronouns and ‘identify transphobia’ (yahoo.com)

Parliamentary staff urged to police pronouns and ‘identify transphobia’

Parliamentary staff have been urged to police gender pronouns and report “negative behaviours”, The Telegraph has learnt.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/parliamentary-staff-urged-police-pronouns-170000893.html

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Redshoeblueshoe · 13/05/2023 20:15

FFS

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/05/2023 20:20

The capture of the entire civil service by stonewall has caused untold damage

tobee · 13/05/2023 20:20

"It is your choice"

Except only for some people.

Twistyripple · 13/05/2023 20:23

This is appalling

GailBlancheViola · 13/05/2023 20:26

The guidance also says that staff who keep Parliament running behind the scenes can “use the facilities that match your gender identity or that most closely align with it”, with both single-sex and gender-neutral facilities available.

It goes on: “It is your choice and we will support you to access the toilets, showers and changing rooms that feel right for you at that time. It may be that you access both male and female facilities, which we support.”

Fuckers. What about the choice for people who do not wish to share toilets, showers and changing rooms with members of the opposite sex? Where is their support?

This really shows how deep the capture goes and how little anyone else is considered, the sacred caste trumps all.

nilsmousehammer · 13/05/2023 20:32

Come on then Sunak: this is a call for compelled belief and compelled language and to be prejudiced against anyone of other beliefs or choices. It's religious intolerance with threats of punishment, from a service with a duty to the entire electorate, not just fellow believers.

This has got to be rooted out. This kind of intolerance has to end, it's been indulged for far too long.

People are free to call themselves whatever they want and believe what ever they want. They are not entitled to remove other people's needed resources, access and inclusion, or to compel others to enable them against their own beliefs, particularly in ways that make them uncomfortable and which are oppressive to others.

ResisterRex · 13/05/2023 20:44

nilsmousehammer · 13/05/2023 20:32

Come on then Sunak: this is a call for compelled belief and compelled language and to be prejudiced against anyone of other beliefs or choices. It's religious intolerance with threats of punishment, from a service with a duty to the entire electorate, not just fellow believers.

This has got to be rooted out. This kind of intolerance has to end, it's been indulged for far too long.

People are free to call themselves whatever they want and believe what ever they want. They are not entitled to remove other people's needed resources, access and inclusion, or to compel others to enable them against their own beliefs, particularly in ways that make them uncomfortable and which are oppressive to others.

You've nailed it.

BreadInCaptivity · 13/05/2023 20:59

nilsmousehammer · 13/05/2023 20:32

Come on then Sunak: this is a call for compelled belief and compelled language and to be prejudiced against anyone of other beliefs or choices. It's religious intolerance with threats of punishment, from a service with a duty to the entire electorate, not just fellow believers.

This has got to be rooted out. This kind of intolerance has to end, it's been indulged for far too long.

People are free to call themselves whatever they want and believe what ever they want. They are not entitled to remove other people's needed resources, access and inclusion, or to compel others to enable them against their own beliefs, particularly in ways that make them uncomfortable and which are oppressive to others.

👏👏👏👏👏

heldinadream · 13/05/2023 21:07

Fuck sake make it STOP!

TowelRailing · 13/05/2023 23:12

It’s all very 2021. Come on civil service, things have moved past that sort of viewpoint

EpicChaos · 13/05/2023 23:16

SMH! :-/
Beyond a joke!

SinnerBoy · 13/05/2023 23:24

If the seat of the Legislature can't get this right and is doing it wrong with malice aforethought, what chance do other institutions have?

Boiledbeetle · 13/05/2023 23:24

Getting so sick of this Fucking shit!

ThereIbledit · 13/05/2023 23:31

If the seat of the Legislature can't get this right and is doing it wrong with malice aforethought, what chance do other institutions have?

This.

IwantToRetire · 13/05/2023 23:36

All might not be lost (though damage done cant be undone) if this part of the article is true:

MPs and peers have raised concern about the document privately. On Saturday night, the Commons said after being contacted by The Telegraph that it would shortly be replaced with new guidance and the current guide was no longer being actively promoted.

So well done Telegraph and whoever leaked the report for bringing this into the light.

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FriendofJoanne · 13/05/2023 23:37

Me too Boiled. Utterly sick and miserable when will it stop!! I want reality back now, I don’t like this crazy world

Boiledbeetle · 13/05/2023 23:57

FriendofJoanne · 13/05/2023 23:37

Me too Boiled. Utterly sick and miserable when will it stop!! I want reality back now, I don’t like this crazy world

I'm currently suffering with 15 infected mosquito bites so have had some slightly delirious moments the last few days, yet even my fevered imagination hasn't been able to come up with shit as crazy as some of the things going on at the moment! Which indicates to me reality has gone totally out the window!

Bosky · 14/05/2023 00:11

"Sir Peter Bottomley, the longest-serving MP currently in the Commons and father of the House, said he had “some concern”, adding: “The word ‘sex’ appears without stating it is a protected characteristic – I think that may be a slip, an omission.

“It is obviously sympathetic to people and some managers will find it useful, and a person who is transgender will find it interesting. I believe it would be better guidance if the people issuing it had checked it with the LGB Alliance.”

He added: “I hope that the House authorities will come to an open discussion on how this effort to help can be made more inclusive and more helpful to all.”

Kate Harris, co-founder of LGB Alliance, which was set up to defend lesbian, gay and bisexual rights from gender ideology, said “policing pronoun usage” was “completely unacceptable in a liberal democracy”.

She added: “This guidance is an activist’s handbook for those who seek to do two things: to pretend that their cult beliefs are mainstream, and second to isolate and ostracise anyone who refuses to accept their ludicrous fantasies.
“Pronouns are the gateway drug towards unnecessary medicalisation of gender non-conforming children. Wake up Parliament – you are being sold a very dangerous pup.”

Oh to be a fly on the wall and see all the dummies being spat out!!

Merida46 · 14/05/2023 00:19

These idiots need to be called out. If anybody asks my pronouns they will be told my pronouns are “I and me.”

ScrollingLeaves · 14/05/2023 00:25

This is despite single-sex spaces being protected by the Equality Act 2010. The guide states several that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under this law, but fails to mention that sex is protected too

No word ever needed to be made more clear. Since when does Sex mean Gender Reassignment?

Gender Reassignment is one characteristic in the Equality Act, Sex is another. They are discrete.

They should be able to understand this.

DemiColon · 14/05/2023 00:53

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/05/2023 20:20

The capture of the entire civil service by stonewall has caused untold damage

And it will be a big, long term job to root it out.

There is a reason that in many historical periods the civil service changed with a change in regime - in some instances with the old civil service members being dispatched through execution. It's just very difficult to run a state the way you want if the bureaucrats are not on board.

It will be much more difficult in an instance where the people creating and implementing the questionable policies will remain in place and can't be compelled to change their personal views.

The valuing of a really politically neutral civil service seems to have been lost. I suspect because most people under about 30 don't actually understand the idea of political neutrality. They have been educated from the time they entered school to believe that it is immoral. (Possibly we only have ourselves to blame, after all, it's the adults in the room who decided that is what schools should teach.)

In any case, imagine trying to root any ideology out of a captured civil service - Marxism, Catholicism, free market libertarianism - with no real tools to make them do what you want.

SinnerBoy · 14/05/2023 06:05

ScrollingLeaves · Today 00:25

This is despite single-sex spaces being protected by the Equality Act 2010. The guide states several that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under this law, but fails to mention that sex is protected too

They should be able to understand this.

They do understand it and exactly why it's not helpful to them; they think that they are entitled to ignore it and put their own spin on things.

Slothtoes · 14/05/2023 08:59

FFS haven’t they just had years of investigations revealing a terrible bullying culture of staff in Parliament by some MPs and now these long suffering staff they’re being foisted with this shite.
What kind of men want to get in women’s toilets by force? What kind of employer would let them?

Shelefttheweb · 14/05/2023 09:01

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/05/2023 20:20

The capture of the entire civil service by stonewall has caused untold damage

Agree, it is destroying the foundations of our democracy.

Zeonlywayisup · 14/05/2023 09:03

Pronouns describe the sex of the person you are talking about not their gender. Can’t you just say that on repeat?