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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
TrainedByCats · 13/05/2023 17:48

I’m really hoping this is the start of brands realising using attention seeking ‘influencers’ can backfire

Brisland · 13/05/2023 23:33

Interesting to read that Seafolly is up for sale….

Bosky · 13/05/2023 23:56

Wonderful! More sunlight on this obnoxious git who justifies using The Ladies because he wears high heels so he wouldn't be safe in The Gents!

"He previously identified with the gender-neutral pronouns of they/them, but in April confirmed that he was now comfortable using male pronouns again.

'I am so comfortable in my own skin that now I use he/him/she/her/they/them. I don't give a f**k what you call me. I'm just Deni. So they are my pronouns.'"

Please to see the Mail taking the opportunity to he/him/his Deni throughout.

Helleofabore · 14/05/2023 00:39

How surprising! Brands are beginning to get the message that using male people to promote female apparel to women is going to be a disaster.

JeanRondeausMadHair · 14/05/2023 03:07

Trainwreckish thing.

Brisland · 14/05/2023 04:22

I honestly think he thinks he is untouchable - regardless of what he does or says he thinks he has a “get out of jail free” card. Similarly to Jeff March.

Helleofabore · 14/05/2023 08:12

I wonder if the mental health aspect that some of these people experience will start to sink in to brands looking for engaging these people. I am talking about the fact this person is threatening past employers with exposes and seems to be exhibiting narcissistic rage.

I remember watching them on ABC Q&A discussing events such as Moira Deeming’s suspension and Melbourne Let Women Speak rally thinking ‘this male person is a raving misogynist and a poor spokesperson for any community.’ The facts that were ‘dropped’ were poor quality studies and this individual’s hugely biased perspective. But the way they acted on the show enlightening.

It is things like clicking fingers and that hyped up ‘charisma’ that seems to go hand in hand with the spreading of misinformation.

ResisterRex · 14/05/2023 08:45

I'd like to see a brand apologise to women and go back to doing what they did. I like Sea Folly a lot so (selfishly) they'd be a great brand to do this. Please no Blume-style prostrating!

BonfireLady · 14/05/2023 10:04

Helleofabore · 14/05/2023 00:39

How surprising! Brands are beginning to get the message that using male people to promote female apparel to women is going to be a disaster.

Indeed. You'd think it would be obvious. Maybe it finally is now.

nilsmousehammer · 14/05/2023 10:17

Helleofabore · 14/05/2023 08:12

I wonder if the mental health aspect that some of these people experience will start to sink in to brands looking for engaging these people. I am talking about the fact this person is threatening past employers with exposes and seems to be exhibiting narcissistic rage.

I remember watching them on ABC Q&A discussing events such as Moira Deeming’s suspension and Melbourne Let Women Speak rally thinking ‘this male person is a raving misogynist and a poor spokesperson for any community.’ The facts that were ‘dropped’ were poor quality studies and this individual’s hugely biased perspective. But the way they acted on the show enlightening.

It is things like clicking fingers and that hyped up ‘charisma’ that seems to go hand in hand with the spreading of misinformation.

This.

Using and exploiting someone who is obviously not very well for their popularity and the show they will put on is a grotty way to make money, particularly as it must be equally obvious that the negative publicity will benefit the company at the expense of the person. I am not sorry that companies willing to do this are now discovering that they are not necessarily using a harmless or easy to drop resource and may get their fingers soundly burned in the process.

Helleofabore · 18/05/2023 10:02

Another update.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12092125/Non-binary-influencer-Deni-Todorovic-Flashing-scandal-Australian-Fashion-Week.html

Now, whether this individual flashed full exposure or just tightie whities (undies), I cannot work out.

Still, it seems that Todorivic fell foul of what many of us have done in the past in failing the dreaded Jetstar weigh in (I even had a special lightweight handbag and wallet as Jetstar weighed my leather handbag and it without anything in it was 5 kgs!). But while the rest of us find other ways to deal with it (such as wearing half your clothes through check in), Todorivic doubled down.

I suspect that promoters will not be lining up for sponsorships in the future .

And honestly, even if your undies are D&G, I don’t know that many people want to see them.

Non-binary influencer Deni Todorovic embroiled in FLASHING scandal

Daily Mail Australia can reveal Todorovic, 35, flashed their genitals at two of the country's best known entertainment journalists at Australian Fashion Week on Tuesday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12092125/Non-binary-influencer-Deni-Todorovic-Flashing-scandal-Australian-Fashion-Week.html

ArabeIIaScott · 18/05/2023 10:10

'Todorovic, 35, flashed genitals at two entertainment journalists - Confidential's Jonathan Moran and Page 13's Alice Coster - at Australian Fashion Week on Tuesday, leaving them distressed.'

Sounds pretty clear.

Tallisker · 18/05/2023 10:19

What a plonker

Helleofabore · 18/05/2023 10:33

I don’t think that hiring one’s mum as manager is necessarily going to be a good thing for Todorovic. Even if she is a place to apparently rest Todorovic’s head when distressed.

I mean, many travelling with Jetstar have felt like exploding when being asked to pay for ridiculous extra baggage charges when you forget to weigh everything before leaving home. But never to the point of having to have the Australian Federal Police come and intervene.

Brisland · 18/05/2023 12:56

I’ve seen some interesting outfits worn on flights, but never a huge, puffy ball gown (apparently he was channeling Carrie from Sex and the City)….

Justme56 · 18/05/2023 13:35

I think with some of these influencers they get so empowered by the constant attention and praise from followers that they believe they can do whatever they want when they want with no consequences. On another point I was actually surprised how small this person is considering the photo shoot for Seafolly - obviously camera angles. Even next to average size women he seemed small.

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MorrisZapp · 18/05/2023 13:39

Blimey, doing shots of Limoncello as a mark of respect to Italian people? 🍋🍋

This guy's a blimmin genius isn't he 🤣

MorrisZapp · 18/05/2023 13:39

Don't make me boycott Limoncello you bastard 🍋🍋

WilkinsonM · 18/05/2023 13:46

This man is a vile misogynistic narcissist and whilst I wouldn't draw any inferences between those features and his 'non binary identity' you'd like to think brands would look a bit further than 'yass fabulous sparkles queer' when choosing people to represent them. His character has been clear for some time.

BonfireLady · 18/05/2023 17:56

But while the rest of us find other ways to deal with it (such as wearing half your clothes through check in), Todorivic doubled down.

I think you win the internet today with this sentence @Helleofabore 😂😂

Indeed. It looks like he's unravelling in public, which is a very sad thing to watch.

Setting that sad part aside, it's a positive to see a women's clothing campaign distance itself from someone who isn't a woman. Personally, if they had marketed it as an item for men or women to celebrate that people can wear whatever they like, I'd have had no issues. A (biologically) male non-binary model seems like a great fit for that kind of campaign. But marketing it for women via a (biologically) male model is a similar level of wrong as Dylan Mulvaney and the sports bras.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 18/05/2023 18:03

Who on earth is Déni supposed to be ‘influencing’, and how?

Helleofabore · 18/05/2023 18:08

Not only do you wear half your clothes through check in, but your pockets can be full of stuff from your handbag which has a strict allowance!!!

The Jetstar weigh in at check in are FIERCE!!!! But they told me that that cannot weigh people and cannot tell people to empty their pockets or take off their many layers of clothes!

AnyFucker · 18/05/2023 18:08

Shame. Not.

BonfireLady · 18/05/2023 18:22

Who on earth is Déni supposed to be ‘influencing’, and how?

At a best guess:

Who - people who are going through airport check ins
How - by thinking more laterally like Helle does, rather than wearing just a pair of knickers that has no pockets (and a frilly skirt that also has no pockets)

I was never in danger of that mistake myself. But if I was, I'd consider myself very much now "influenced".

Bosky · 18/05/2023 19:05

Sounds like a slightly less degenerate Yaniv. The only reason he got bookings as an "influencer" and Yaniv didn't is that he doesn't look like Fungus the Bogeyman. Pretty-boy privilege.

Todorovic said he had been subjected to 'homophobic and racist' behaviour by staff requesting that he pay $100 for excess luggage, and subsequently wrote with black marker pen, 'Jetstar, suck my d*', across the top of both thighs.
A Jetstar representative denied staff did anything wrong.

Photographs of the incident show Todorovic with his mother, along with four police officers.

The model appeared upset and rested his head on his mother's arm. No charges were laid.

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