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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BACP accidentally forgets its woke credentials and has the audacity to talk about "women" and "mums"

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chattanoogachoochoochoo · 12/05/2023 23:30

To my own ongoing disappointment I am sadly a member of the BACP because without said membership I cannot actually go to work.

As most on this board are all too aware the BACP are an entirely captured organisation.

Imagine my surprise, then, when this membership email dropped into my inbox today entitled "Our call for new mums to have access to counselling provision"

https://www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/2023/5-may-our-call-for-new-mums-to-have-access-to-counselling-provision/?_cldee=Nou4g6CcA4ef77CNEiRI0YocAaqeIOJpKNe9CstGLAZgKkp9pUp2qgObrzQvUkEq&recipientid=contact-4dd5b3b001dce71180f13863bb349ac0-079d1a1cef744be98956ad37edaea22f&esid=f8699ebf-b3f0-ed11-8849-00224899a08f

It is packed full of transphobic references to women and mothers.

No doubt there'll be a full apology in next month's Therapy Today for oppressing a marginalised group by having the audacity to consider perinatal mental health.

Will keep you posted.

Our call for new mums to have access to counselling provision

News from BACP | We respond to a report into the provision of specialist perinatal mental health services in the UK

https://www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/2023/5-may-our-call-for-new-mums-to-have-access-to-counselling-provision?_cldee=Nou4g6CcA4ef77CNEiRI0YocAaqeIOJpKNe9CstGLAZgKkp9pUp2qgObrzQvUkEq&esid=f8699ebf-b3f0-ed11-8849-00224899a08f&recipientid=contact-4dd5b3b001dce71180f13863bb349ac0-079d1a1cef744be98956ad37edaea22f

OP posts:
AtrociousCircumstance · 12/05/2023 23:33

Maybe there’s been a shift? Fuck I hope so.

chattanoogachoochoochoo · 12/05/2023 23:37

AtrociousCircumstance · 12/05/2023 23:33

Maybe there’s been a shift? Fuck I hope so.

I wish, but I doubt it.

I suspect the eminently sensible seeming Children, Young Persons and Family Lead at the BACP has not woke washed this and it has slipped through the net.

As soon as the baying mob notice it there will be some kind of retraction/amendment.

OP posts:
Questioningtoday · 13/05/2023 00:05

Gosh, it's almost like no one is actually trying to erase the word woman!

Redebs · 13/05/2023 00:12

Questioningtoday · 13/05/2023 00:05

Gosh, it's almost like no one is actually trying to erase the word woman!

😁🌟

PriOn1 · 13/05/2023 04:22

This article from the day before uses women and mums too. There’s one “parents” when I think they mean mothers, but I only noticed because I was looking for it.

https://www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/blogs/2022/4-may-the-power-of-connection/

Compare that to the other link at the bottom of your article: the one written back in January uses “parents” throughout, where it seems that probably, some or most of the time it is referring to mothers. There’s one use of “women” and one of “mothers”, but both are in quotations from other people.

“Jo Holmes, our Children, Young People and Families Lead,” obviously didn’t get the memo! Long may she continue.

I hope it is a sign of genuine change. Reading the January article, the language is jarring in its clumsiness and lack of clarity. There’s a significant difference between helping mothers and helping parents. Good luck, OP.

The power of connection

BACP member blogs: Helen Hazell-English highlights the need for all mums to be supported during the significant stresses of early motherhood, as she considers this year’s Maternal Mental Health Awareness Week theme

https://www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/blogs/2022/4-may-the-power-of-connection/

nepeta · 13/05/2023 05:06

PriOn1 · 13/05/2023 04:22

This article from the day before uses women and mums too. There’s one “parents” when I think they mean mothers, but I only noticed because I was looking for it.

https://www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/blogs/2022/4-may-the-power-of-connection/

Compare that to the other link at the bottom of your article: the one written back in January uses “parents” throughout, where it seems that probably, some or most of the time it is referring to mothers. There’s one use of “women” and one of “mothers”, but both are in quotations from other people.

“Jo Holmes, our Children, Young People and Families Lead,” obviously didn’t get the memo! Long may she continue.

I hope it is a sign of genuine change. Reading the January article, the language is jarring in its clumsiness and lack of clarity. There’s a significant difference between helping mothers and helping parents. Good luck, OP.

Apropos of that confusing power of the gender identity language, though not on this specific case: A newspaper article reported on the effect of becoming a parent on earnings and argued that this decreases the parent's earnings.

That wasn't the correct finding at all: It's mothers who start earning less after becoming parents while fathers start earning more. This is a finding which was true twenty years ago (and more) and is still true today.

But the use of inclusive language here actually hid the true findings by replacing 'mothers' with 'parents', thus seemingly stating that both fathers and mothers start earning less after becoming parents.

dimorphism · 13/05/2023 06:26

nepeta · 13/05/2023 05:06

Apropos of that confusing power of the gender identity language, though not on this specific case: A newspaper article reported on the effect of becoming a parent on earnings and argued that this decreases the parent's earnings.

That wasn't the correct finding at all: It's mothers who start earning less after becoming parents while fathers start earning more. This is a finding which was true twenty years ago (and more) and is still true today.

But the use of inclusive language here actually hid the true findings by replacing 'mothers' with 'parents', thus seemingly stating that both fathers and mothers start earning less after becoming parents.

Well erasing the knowledge of real sex based disadvantage - such as the motherhood pay penalty (which I bet affects transmen who've had children too) - is one of the goals of gender ideology IMO.

Far from wanting to support the most disadvantaged. It's all about the men.

nothingcomestonothing · 13/05/2023 06:28

Good spot OP, I've stopped opening emails from BACP because their utter craven cowardice doesn't help my blood pressure, so I missed this. I'm sure the next email will have a grovelling apology to all the they/thems. The BACP member survey released this week asks you for your gender and your sex assigned at birth Hmm

InColour · 13/05/2023 07:40

Questioningtoday · 13/05/2023 00:05

Gosh, it's almost like no one is actually trying to erase the word woman!

No it's the concept/ meaning that is erased. So the word "women" now includes some - and potentially any that say so - males.

This has devastating effects, as outlined in the example by nepeta, and countless threads in the feminism section.

It was also entirely unnecessary for fighting for genuine trans rights. Trans people can, and should, have their rights upheld as trans people. There was never any need for lies and obfuscation. This is driven by pure misogyny. Note that there is far less of an attack on the meaning of "men", even though any change of meaning has far less impact because transmen do not hold physical and structural power over men.

It is never progress to take away the ability of a marginalised group to name itself. When women are not allowed to define what "women" means, they don't really have rights at all.

Ezzee · 13/05/2023 08:08

nothingcomestonothing · 13/05/2023 06:28

Good spot OP, I've stopped opening emails from BACP because their utter craven cowardice doesn't help my blood pressure, so I missed this. I'm sure the next email will have a grovelling apology to all the they/thems. The BACP member survey released this week asks you for your gender and your sex assigned at birth Hmm

This!
Narcissistic arseholes that they are.

Wimpod · 13/05/2023 09:58

nepeta · 13/05/2023 05:06

Apropos of that confusing power of the gender identity language, though not on this specific case: A newspaper article reported on the effect of becoming a parent on earnings and argued that this decreases the parent's earnings.

That wasn't the correct finding at all: It's mothers who start earning less after becoming parents while fathers start earning more. This is a finding which was true twenty years ago (and more) and is still true today.

But the use of inclusive language here actually hid the true findings by replacing 'mothers' with 'parents', thus seemingly stating that both fathers and mothers start earning less after becoming parents.

Surely to feck someone looks at this vs the source data and goes wtf. Then I guess they keep their head down.

I was listening to a podcast which mentioned that this kind of control of society is done through jobs. People sometimes go along with things they disagree with, because they can't afford not to.

PandaOrLion · 13/05/2023 10:00

It’s been so long since I’d opened a BACP email that I almost spat my tea out when I saw this one!

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