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finallypeaked · 12/05/2023 19:38

Sorry I didn't realise it's behind a paywall. It let me read it from Facebook.

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RoseslnTheHospital · 12/05/2023 19:40

An alternative article if the previous link doesn't work for some:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1769335/teacher-nottinghamshire-county-council-sacked?intsource=amppcontinuereading&inttmedium=amp&intcampaign=continueereadingbutton#amp-readmore-target

RhinestoneCowgirl · 12/05/2023 19:42

I could read it.

This feels so raw for me as DD spent last couple of years at primary with very short hair and trousers and showing an interest in some things that certain parts of society would see as 'for boys'. But she absolutely knew that she was a girl, and that humans can't change sex.

This poor child and poor teacher. Basic safeguarding.

Igmum · 12/05/2023 19:48

Definitely basic safeguarding. I hope the interim Cass Review will help this teacher's case (and I also hope she wins BIG)

InterestingUsernameTBC · 12/05/2023 20:16

I haven't managed to get to the whole article yet but the sub-heading!

Primary school tutor was told her Christian beliefs and welfare concerns could constitute ‘an act of direct discrimination’

Welfare concerns, an act of direct discrimination? Welfare concerns?!

Forwarder · 12/05/2023 20:23

I'm so grateful to the people who are standing up to this horror. Well done that teacher.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/05/2023 20:34

The situation in some schools is dire. Children being socially transitioned in secret from their parents. Teachers being told by self interested trans groups that it's fine to alienate children from their parents. Ignorant of decades of data showing that children in care / alienated from their families do terribly in all life measures - more likely to be involved with drugs, crime, low achievement, homeless etc etc.
Removing the influence of these dangerous adults must happen. Let teachers rediscover their skills in working in partnership with parents of these vulnerable children, hold the child at the centre of everything they do (not the demands of trans activist groups).
Schools know how to work with parents - the angry, difficult, homophobic, abusive etc. Children in difficult situations rely on teachers knowing what's going on and being alert, able to support and refer when necessary. Children confused about their sex should not be alienated from this support because adult trans groups demand it.

mach2 · 13/05/2023 06:14

how to respond to students questioning their gender

"Gender doesn't exist"

dimorphism · 13/05/2023 06:20

Wow, so she got sacked for raising valid safeguarding concerns?

What about the other children? Are they being compelled to lie every day? Deny reality? This constitutes emotional abuse as defined in KCSIE and is also a human rights breach - compelled speech.

Unbelievable

saraclara · 13/05/2023 06:27

dimorphism · 13/05/2023 06:20

Wow, so she got sacked for raising valid safeguarding concerns?

What about the other children? Are they being compelled to lie every day? Deny reality? This constitutes emotional abuse as defined in KCSIE and is also a human rights breach - compelled speech.

Unbelievable

No, she was sacked for breaching confidentiality.

Since her warnings, the woman says she has been sacked for gross misconduct after sharing information about the child with her lawyers in preparation for a judicial review claim against the school and the council.

Presumably she identified the child and gave more information than was needed to support her claim.

The warnings were about her refusal to use the preferred name and pronouns, but the claimed sacking was over a breach of confidentiality.

saraclara · 13/05/2023 06:29

And now I've managed to access the Telegraph version, it says the same

The teacher, who is now working in a sandwich shop, claims that she was sacked for gross misconduct after she shared information about the child with her lawyers in preparation for a judicial review claim against the school and the council. She said that the school has reported her to the Teacher Regulation Agency for an alleged confidentiality breach, which means she could face a lifelong ban from the profession.

sanluca · 13/05/2023 06:34

The safeguarding concerns were over allowing the girl to use the boys changing rooms and toilets. Which is a very valid concern imo.

JellySaurus · 13/05/2023 07:46

She spoke in confidence to her lawyers as a whistleblower in the interests of safeguarding the child.

She respected GDPR, she did not break it.

It's not like she revealed confidential information about a child to the newspapers. That would be a breach of GDPR.

saraclara · 13/05/2023 07:52

JellySaurus · 13/05/2023 07:46

She spoke in confidence to her lawyers as a whistleblower in the interests of safeguarding the child.

She respected GDPR, she did not break it.

It's not like she revealed confidential information about a child to the newspapers. That would be a breach of GDPR.

I have no idea what people in this situation are able to tell their lawyers. So part of me is curious. Are they not allowed to give the child's name? Obviously the individual child is not part of the legal dispute between the teacher and the school, so maybe it's something like that.

But my post was simply to point out that the sacking (as opposed to the disciplinary actions) was not for misgendering or dead naming, as has been assumed by many. It was for breaching confidentially.

MissingMoominMamma · 13/05/2023 08:04

In years to come, that child may look back and wonder what the fuck everyone else was doing whilst someone was looking out for her welfare.

I wanted to be a boy because they had more comfortable and practical clothes, and better bikes… and my friends were all boys.

Im so grateful that I grew up in the 70s, before feeling like this was made such a big deal of.

JellySaurus · 13/05/2023 08:27

Ah essential principle of safeguarding is that confidentiality must be breached in order to in order to safeguard the vulnerable party.

Another principle of safeguarding is that if the Designated Safeguarding Lead is part of your safeguarding concern, bypass them and refer it higher, even to an appropriate external agency. How high did this teacher refer? Did she follow the protocol, or jump from DSL to legal action?

Whatwouldscullydo · 13/05/2023 08:40

Something has gone so terribly terribly wrong when schools can place a child in danger like this and the one who doesn't go along with it is the one the one in trouble.

I wonder what the insurers would say when something happens to that female child.

I bet the mum of all the boys would be fuming too. How dare they lose their privacy so schools don't have to say no.. Someone's identity is theirs and theirs alone. Nothing to do aitg anyone else and no one has any obligation to be a part of it.

Well done to that teacher fir speaking out.

Badgeringabout · 13/05/2023 08:50

MissingMoominMamma · 13/05/2023 08:04

In years to come, that child may look back and wonder what the fuck everyone else was doing whilst someone was looking out for her welfare.

I wanted to be a boy because they had more comfortable and practical clothes, and better bikes… and my friends were all boys.

Im so grateful that I grew up in the 70s, before feeling like this was made such a big deal of.

I grew up in the 70s and was also like this. Boys had the best stuff so I dressed like they did and all of my friends were boys for years. No one told me I WAS a boy FFS.

Lockheart · 13/05/2023 08:57

saraclara · 13/05/2023 06:27

No, she was sacked for breaching confidentiality.

Since her warnings, the woman says she has been sacked for gross misconduct after sharing information about the child with her lawyers in preparation for a judicial review claim against the school and the council.

Presumably she identified the child and gave more information than was needed to support her claim.

The warnings were about her refusal to use the preferred name and pronouns, but the claimed sacking was over a breach of confidentiality.

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This - she wasn't sacked "for using the wrong pronouns" and it's extremely misleading and goady of the media to pretend she was.

icanneverthinkofnc · 13/05/2023 09:10

MissingMoominMamma · 13/05/2023 08:04

In years to come, that child may look back and wonder what the fuck everyone else was doing whilst someone was looking out for her welfare.

I wanted to be a boy because they had more comfortable and practical clothes, and better bikes… and my friends were all boys.

Im so grateful that I grew up in the 70s, before feeling like this was made such a big deal of.

Same, when I think back to my childhood, I'm so happy to have had freedom to be me. It's become state sanctioned grooming in plain sight..the lunatics have taken over the asylum ..
Ironically, all the reasons I wanted to be a boy are no longer obstacles in life. Girls can join front line forces, play football, do 'boy' sports, more clothing choices.
It's become more misogynistic, more segregated than it was then. Yet, girls have more rights and options than they ever have had. I don't get it!

ATerrorofLeftovers · 13/05/2023 09:15

So she shared info about the child in a confidential meeting with solicitors as part of obtaining legal advice? Perfectly normal and no harm done. Any info shared is kept confidential under legal privilege. The solicitors won’t be leaking it to the local press.

The child’s trans status has already been publicised, by themselves and others, as they have been socially transitioned. Everyone in that school knows they used to be know by one set of pronouns and name and now they wish to be referred to by another name and the pronouns used for the opposite sex. Everyone knows they are actually one sex but want to present and be treated as the other.

This is quite clearly just an excuse to sack the teacher. A hook to hang the sacking on, that they’d already decided on. Hopefully a tribunal will have the nous to see through it.

Safxxx · 13/05/2023 09:40

This is only gonna get worse, the Lg**q just getting stronger with their ideologies and forces others to accept it.
I hope the teacher wins the case.
The other day I nearly spat my tea hearing a man say he loves fishing and is a Fisherthem, WTF 🤨 even the English dictionary is confused 🤦🏻‍♀️
They come out with so much crap and we have to oblige🤔 No I refuse this stupidity it's ridiculous and I won't play their dirty mind games.
They can do what they want but hell don't force us into it, if they got rights then so do we 🙏

Badgeringabout · 13/05/2023 09:54

It's become more misogynistic, more segregated than it was then. Yet, girls have more rights and options than they ever have had. I don't get it!

These two things are very tightly linked. The first is BECAUSE of the second. It's pushback.

raspberrywine · 13/05/2023 10:25

It seems it's always Christian teachers who are the ones pushing back publicly. I think it's partly because it's easier to bring a case around the protected characteristics of religion, and also because Christian Legal Centre are taking cases to challenge gender ideology in schools and are good at publicising their cases.

titchy · 13/05/2023 10:28

She wasn't sacked for telling her solicitors the name of the child. That's perfectly normal legal privilege.

Can you imagine how legal representation would work if clients weren't able to tell their solicitors anything related to their case.