First ever housing only for women

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Will naturally include men

it will include TW (men) but not cross dressing men (love to see how they’ll tell the difference!) but not TM (women)

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How are they going to differentiate between a 'transgender woman' who wears women's clothes every now and then (the Suzeddie Izzard kind of trans) and cross-dressing men who wear women's clothes every now and then?

Also, won't someone think of the enbys?

Yeah, I was thinking that. So it's not really a space for women without men, it's that women will be the tenancy agreement and can in theory be in charge of who lives there but well, you know.

Agree with everyone, not really for women then. I guess the only plus point is that hopefully most tenancy contracts will be held by women.

Many years ago Housing for Women built a lovely row of houses at the end of my road in London (after the tenants in the postwar prefabs were "persuaded" to move). Lots of meetings with residents to persuade us all not to oppose planning as the houses were only for vunerable women and their children. A chance to rebuild their lives and then move on when they had new relationships. Within days most houses had men living in them too.

Indeed - there have been women-only alms houses pretty much as long as there have been alms houses. Not far off a thousand years.

Yeah, I agree, as long as they are upfront about the barking mad rules.

There are beautiful ( Edwardian?) Low rise women only blocks on Hampsted Heath

Indeed - there have been women-only alms houses pretty much as long as there have been alms houses. Not far off a thousand years

Way longer than that because many monasteries/convents provided forms of housing on their sites for the elderly. Definitely around by the 8th century, maybe earlier.

What is the point? The kind of women who are happy to share with men who say they are women can just live in ordinary housing. If single sex housing is wanted and justified, it needs to be SINGLE SEX.

FFS, I'm really running out of patience, here.

'If single sex housing is wanted and justified, it needs to be SINGLE SEX.'

Exactly. It's not rocket science

The kind of women who are happy to share with men who say they are women can just live in ordinary housing.

I suspect it is the other way round. The instance by trans women that they must be included in women only housing, whatever, is for them an end goal.

I suspect many women who accept this transing of women only do so because they fear losing their housing. It is about who have more power in a situation. And 99.9% of the time it isn't women.

On historic women only housing initiatives it looks like many no longer survive https://historicengland.org.uk/research/inclusive-heritage/womens-history/buildings-that-celebrate-working-women/

And look at this beautiful (up market) women only project now, surprise, surprise, no longer wome only. https://historicengland.org.uk/research/inclusive-heritage/womens-history/buildings-that-celebrate-working-women/waterlow-court/

The allowing trans women is appalling, of course; but so is allowing male partners of women choosing to live in what they assume is an all women environment?
How exactly is it for women only? 🤯

If we are still talking about Women's Pioneer their housing is only for single women.

Eligibility

The application process aims to help women who need but do not have access to social housing through other routes. You must be:

• not a home owner or have a share of a property anywhere else
• a single woman
• earning under £40,000 a year
• willing to consider living in any area we have homes
• reasonably mobile (most flats offered will be on higher floors)
• not living in housing association or council accommodation, or be eligible for housing assistance from the local authority
• able to prove your Right to Rent in the UK

You must also:

• have a need for women’s housing.
• have less than £16,000 in savings.

If you accept an offer, you need to move in two days after sign-up.

If you turn down an offer, we’ll remove your name from the list.

http://womenspioneer.co.uk/our-waiting-list/

NB anyone interested unfortunately the application process was only open during the early part of April.

That Guardian article says only single women will be given a tenancy, but if they acquire a male partner he can move in, @IwantToRetire ?

That seems crazy.

I don't really get this place. What's the point of a female only space which can have male partners living there? Seems to completely undermine the ethos. It's not a female only space if there are already loads of men in it. It may well be a block of flats which gives priority to female applicants who fulfil certain criteria, but calling it female only is a stretch.

What??? but if they acquire a male partner he can move in

Silly me thinking their web site would be accurate.

Or worse still that because this will be a huge expansion of the number of flats they have they dont think there are enough women wanting women only accommodation.

As has been said upthread - why bother.

So the previous managment who said they wouldn't expand as they wanted to keep the ethos of the organisation have been proved right. Expand and just turn youself into an all purpose housing project.

Bet they dont also prioritise women on low incomes who have difficulty securing housing.

I don't think a tower block full of 102 vulnerable women is a safe idea in the first place, even before adding in some men who say they are women. It's not like a refuge, the address won't be secret. It'll be a huge magnet for abusive men.

Ther aren't "vulnerable" women. They are women on low incomes.

Or rather that was the original remit of Women's Pioneer.

Maybe in the 2023 update low income women will be seen as irrelevant, and flats will go to the highest bidder, more likely than not a woman with a man in tow.

Women on low incomes are vulnerable.

Yes that's probably the one I was thinking of.

The person taking the tenancy must be a single woman, and men will only be able to live in the tower block if they become a tenant’s partner. The only way a tenant could be male is if they are the adult child of a female tenant and inherit the tenancy.

So there is no point to this then.
Already vulnerable woman could move in a new boyfriend (usually these womwn have the worst taste in men) and impose risk on rest of the women, and that man knows the whole place is filled with vulnerable women!?
Madness!!
What could possibly go wrong.

Also, sons are going to be problem.
Every woman thinks the men in their lives are the ’good one’s’ and are blind to the reality.
That’s why we’re in this mess in the first place.

There’s always a problem with women only spaces which are also open to men who say the magic words. The decent men stay out, but the violent/abusive men are happy to lie to get in. So all we’ve done is exclude the good men - which actually makes women less safe.
That in no way means I think all TW are violent/abusive, although some definitely are. There just is no way to tell the difference between a man who just wants to live their life and an abuser (regardless of how they dress & identify) until it’s too late. However, wanting in to women’s spaces is one clue

Holly Lodge in Hampstead used to be women only, I had friends there and I applied for a flat but then bought something instead. I am not sure if it still is all female.

Unless it’s run like a Victorian boarding house with “no male visitors” allowed and the locks and security to enforce it, the fact that it’s a women-only resident block is meaningless even before you consider the odd transwoman moving into a flat. There are going to be boyfriends staying over and wandering the hallways.

It would be great if it was for same sex attracted lesbians only, and it was a really female only block. But no we are not allowed to have that because some man will want to self id as lesbian into it. Just called it a block for everyone and stop pretending it is women only