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SerendipityJane · 2023-04-18T15:01:43+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/18/william-hague-womens-institute-wi-transgender https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/18/william-hague-womens-institute-wi-transgender/]] That's *Lord *Hague to you. Tory peer in House of Lords.

Musomama1 · 20/04/2023 12:21

I actually think William Hague weighing on like this has done the GC side a massive favour.

Not a good look to tell wims to get over their boundaries and get on with letting men into their stuff.

I mean men joining the WI is validation station right? And also a bit shieldy? Surrounded by nice, non threatening lady folk. There are loads of other things to join. I mean I can't join the freemasons and I'm not going to let that fact ruin my day.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/04/2023 12:42

SmartHome · 20/04/2023 11:38

He has got skin in the game, is what I'm hearing. And to be honest, I've alway got that vibe from him. Weird childhood remember.

Oh gosh?!

WickedSerious · 20/04/2023 12:51

I don't think I'll be taking any advice from a bloke who sounds like he was taught to speak by the robot from Automatic Lover.

mateysmum · 20/04/2023 16:16

SmartHome · 20/04/2023 11:38

He has got skin in the game, is what I'm hearing. And to be honest, I've alway got that vibe from him. Weird childhood remember.

Not defending these current comments at all, but in fairness, Hague has been happily married for about 30 years. I knew him slightly at uni and didn't get that vibe. He speaks with a rather nasal Yorkshire accent.

FigRollsAlly · 20/04/2023 17:31

There was what Hague called “a lot of speculation” about his private life which forced him to explain that he and his wife had suffered multiple miscarriages. It must be pretty awful to go through that and know that people are whispering about you.

SmartHome · 20/04/2023 17:57

Just like Philip Schofield you mean?

CruCru · 20/04/2023 18:03

I wonder rather whether the Tories have got William Hague to do this for their own political reasons. Their own leader has said that women can't have a penis. Hague is not, really, part of the future of the Tory party (which is why he is a Lord). This allows the Tories to say " but we ARE being kind!" and then make it clear that Starmer's opinion lines up with William Hague's.

Hague annoying a lot of women in the WI is not the political disaster that someone who is a more central part of the Tory government would be. The Tories can distance themselves from him fairly easily.

NotSoLittle · 20/04/2023 18:03

saw this comment:
"Worth asking Lord Hague why, if the Women's Institute must admit male members and “get used to it”, the House of Lords sustains that gender reassignment “does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour”. Is it that the Lords aren't “part of our society”?"

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 20/04/2023 19:03

CruCru · 20/04/2023 18:03

I wonder rather whether the Tories have got William Hague to do this for their own political reasons. Their own leader has said that women can't have a penis. Hague is not, really, part of the future of the Tory party (which is why he is a Lord). This allows the Tories to say " but we ARE being kind!" and then make it clear that Starmer's opinion lines up with William Hague's.

Hague annoying a lot of women in the WI is not the political disaster that someone who is a more central part of the Tory government would be. The Tories can distance themselves from him fairly easily.

Certainly possible, though I think it's more likely that Sunak will be frustrated by Hague and Noakes muddying the clear blue water he has tried to put between himself and Starmer on this issue.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/04/2023 19:31

NotSoLittle · Today 18:03
saw this comment:

"Worth asking Lord Hague why, if the Women's Institute must admit male members and “get used to it”, the House of Lords sustains that gender reassignment “does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour”. Is it that the Lords aren't “part of our society”?"

Very well said.

I knew that a transman could not inherit a title, but then I was wondering what would happen to the title of a lord if the lord became a transwoman? You’d think they should lose the title. But from the wording in the quote saying that gender reassignment “does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour”, it looks as though it would make no difference.

If this outrageous exemption stands, then TW are clearly not considered to be W after all.

dcbc1234 · 20/04/2023 19:52

ScrollingLeaves · 20/04/2023 19:31

NotSoLittle · Today 18:03
saw this comment:

"Worth asking Lord Hague why, if the Women's Institute must admit male members and “get used to it”, the House of Lords sustains that gender reassignment “does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour”. Is it that the Lords aren't “part of our society”?"

Very well said.

I knew that a transman could not inherit a title, but then I was wondering what would happen to the title of a lord if the lord became a transwoman? You’d think they should lose the title. But from the wording in the quote saying that gender reassignment “does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour”, it looks as though it would make no difference.

If this outrageous exemption stands, then TW are clearly not considered to be W after all.

Of course the exemption stands as it is the actual biology of the 'transwoman lord' that counts. As you say this is proof that the legislators didn't really believe that TWAW.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/04/2023 19:57

Do you think it was Hague's words that encouraged this trans terrorist to join the WI?

https://twitter.com/TheFamousArtBR/status/1648941001694740485

HermioneWeasley · 20/04/2023 19:57

He can fuck off. Women’s rights are not his to give away.

TowelRailing · 20/04/2023 23:47

And we can’t be a Freemason?
Let’s apply

Roadtrips · 21/04/2023 03:44

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11997053/Trans-activist-boasted-violence-rejected-Womens-Institute.html

Trans activist who boasted of her violence is rejected by the WI

Shanu Varma claimed she had signed up to the WI this week after activists launched a revolt against its policy of welcoming trans women as members.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11997053/Trans-activist-boasted-violence-rejected-Womens-Institute.html

WickedSerious · 21/04/2023 07:28

TowelRailing · 20/04/2023 23:47

And we can’t be a Freemason?
Let’s apply

They're always nagging my DP to join,I'll insist they take me instead.

Polygonpresent · 21/04/2023 08:54

It’s funny how throughout all history men have understood very well that men’s clubs are only for men, but now men can’t seem to grasp the concept of women’s groups being only for women.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/04/2023 09:31

I wonder if transmen would be allowed in the Freemason’s?

ScrollingLeaves · 21/04/2023 09:41

There is a Women’s Freemasons started in 1908 but which was voted exclusively for women during the 1920s with no male members since 1935.

It would be interesting to know if they would welcome transwomen, or if they would expect them to join the men’s? If the latter, I wonder if the men would welcome them or in practice somehow keep them out?

Women Freemasons
www.ugle.org.uk/become-freemason/women-freemasons

ScrollingLeaves · 21/04/2023 10:08

Re The Freemasons
Any (male) Freemason who later undergoes gender reassignment will be allowed to remain a member, although formally they will still be called “Brother” [?!].

And transmen should be allowed to join. I wonder if transmen can easily join in practice though?

www.ugle.org.uk/gender-reassignment-policy
BBC report on that guidance mentioning how members who become transwomen will formally be addressed as “Brother”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45030075

And this from Gay News
https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2018/8/01/englands-freemasons-open-door-trans-members
I should think the process of joining as described above might make it difficult for transmen.

Freemasons accept transgender women who joined as men

The men-only United Grand Lodge of England says Freemasons who transition deserve compassion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45030075

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/04/2023 21:10

Hague seems a total all-round twunt tbh. I'm reading Jess Phillips' The Life of an MP (quite good, would recommend) and she writes about how he'd mock his poor constituents when at the G20 with other world leaders which is totally unacceptable.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/04/2023 21:48

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/04/2023 21:10

Hague seems a total all-round twunt tbh. I'm reading Jess Phillips' The Life of an MP (quite good, would recommend) and she writes about how he'd mock his poor constituents when at the G20 with other world leaders which is totally unacceptable.

Hmm, I'd take anything Jess Phillips said with a barrel-load of salt.

Hague's campaign against sexual violence in war was really good. It's a topic most people prefer to gloss over, especially men. So it makes it all the more disappointing that he is now characterising the violation of women's boundaries as progressive.

Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2023 22:59

I hope they stay strong and vote against it too.

William Hague's being a patronising idiot telling women to get over it. Why should we? To be fair though he probably hasn't been paying attention.

I wrote to my MP Sunak (Hague before him!) about these issues a few years ago and got a generic patronising pat on the head reply - he's completely changed his tune recently.

Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2023 23:10

'Hague's campaign against sexual violence in war was really good. It's a topic most people prefer to gloss over, especially men.'

His constituency of Richmondshire included the 12k soldiers at the Catterick army barracks so I guess that was appropriate.

Until they remove the primogeniture exception and permit transmen to inherit titles and entailed estates I don't see why we should listen to anything the government say - can't have it both ways.