Is anyone on the trans-activism side condemning the violence on their side?

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I'm sure there must be an example or two, but how common is it that trans-activists condemn violence and violent rhetoric and harassment coming from their own side?

Obviously, you aren't automatically responsible for the actions of some lunatic that happens to support the same cause as you do.

However, if you repeatedly see violent rhetoric coming from your own side, and even multiple acts of violence, I would think that people should be speaking out to condemn it.

So any notable trans-activists that have gone on record?

Blair White often condemns the violence of TRAs, but I'm not certain that I would consider White a TRA at this point

It's hard to find. As are any criticisms of the numerous sex offenders, fetishists, paedophile enablers who appear to be so attracted to this ideology. Funny isn't it?

It is always a DARVO situation, so will never be their fault.

Caitlyn Jenner has spoken out about those who attacked Riley Gaines, calling them 'domestic terrorists' and 'the Radical Rainbow Mafia'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11954357/They-domestic-terrorists-Caitlyn-Jenner-blasts-trans-activists-attacked-swimmer-Riley-Gaines.html

But this seems to be quite rare. Fair dos to Jenner though on this issue. Jenner is also vocal about how allowing male bodied people into women's sports will eventually kill off women's sports altogether.

I'm surprised more don't speak up, the naked aggression, violence and attempt to silence women is going to turn people against transgender people more effectively than anything else.

I wouldn't call Caitlyn Jenner a TRA either - TRAs seem to hate her.

Several trans people, some high profile like the aforementioned, speak out against the violence, rhetoric and the pushing of ideology on children. None of these are TRA though - for them it’s all in, seemingly. White has made his name as a contrarian and Jenner was almost immediately disowned by the community for refusing to abandon his right wing politics.

interestingly, the “how you peaked” thread on ovarit is full of former TRA who couldn’t abide the violence and rhetoric and joined the other side.

I'm surprised more don't speak up, the naked aggression, violence and attempt to silence women is going to turn people against transgender people more effectively than anything else.

JKR made this point on the witch trials podcast. The AWA/TRA's/left's own authoritarian behaviour is driving the anti-trans ideology rhetoric on the right. And increasingly, as the behaviour becomes more outrageous, amongst the general public.

Those with high media profiles are not going to condemn the violence because they themselves will be attacked.

Not specifically on the question of violence from the trans activism site, but I began noticing how all demands of kindness and empathy go only in one direction in this whole debate. It's always women who are supposed to cede land and there is no amount of suffering this causes that would elicit sympathy from the trans activists.

So I would imagine they wouldn't address the violence from their side, either, except to say that it would be expected given how marginalised and oppressed transgender people are.

I don't see violence being used by women in Iran, oddly enough, or by women in Afghanistan, to strike back, and the latter are certainly more marginalised and oppressed than any group here.

No: but I have seen many organisations and activists who call violent acts and violent intimidation ‘peaceful’ and ignoring the reality. It is almost as if the testimony we saw in Allison Bailey’s (I think) court case about how justified ‘violence’ is has now become even more solidified as ‘truth’.

They see themselves as freedom fighters in a guerilla war against the oppressors.

Yes. That's accurate. I have a lovely friend who's (once lovely) son is a Tra. I asked him about it. He says they absolutely cannot see the other side at all. They are totally obsessed with gender ideology and their battle against what they see as fascism. It's so scary where this is taking some young people who had so much potential to do good. I honestly think they will look back one day with disbelief and horror that they spent the best years of their youth behaving disgracefully and fanatically, basically campaigning for men to use women's toilets, their right to cheat in sport and locking rapists up with women. What a legacy!

In fact I just saw a male on this site dismiss the violence by saying it was activism and trans people feel attacked.

And these males wonder why we don’t accept them in female single sex spaces.

Blaire White and Buck Angel are vociferous about pushing back on both the transitioning of children and the increased polarisation. Alexis Blake has been vocal in opposing language changes like 'chestfeeder'.

Blaire White and Buck Angel aren't TRAs though. They are trans - but that's not the same thing. I feel at this stage to condemn the violence of TRAs would automatically make you not a TRA so its a bit of a paradox.

You could reverse and ask the same.

Is anyone on the gender critical side condemning the violence on their side?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487306/spike-in-online-hate-toward-trans-community-after-posie-parker-visit-researchers

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487640/police-urge-anyone-including-the-rainbow-community-to-report-threats-violence

Example a transperson and LGBT-activist received a threat saying 'if I see you I'll snap your neck'."

we're talking real violence like punching women in the face ....not the other type of violence "words that hurt" @MerlinsLostMarbles

If that disgusting Lal person is opposed to violence why did they post the video of the actual real-life violence perpetrated against Posie Parker CELEBRATING it?

They do that and have the nerve to whine about a single anonymous online threat? Thanks for contributing this example of the TRA lobby's mindboggling double standards to the thread.

(and yes, I condemn the anonymous online threat against Lal. Duh.)

@MerlinsLostMarbles I denounce all violence on all sides. It just proves to me that some people don't have the power of words and would rather take what a meme says than reading a wide variety of sources and forming a reasonable argument. People who strike out in the first instance do not have the capacity to argue their case reasonably, and can only use violence as a means of protest. That's why educated people in universities disappoint me, because the'd rather be violent to Professor Stock or Riley Gaines than use the skills they are supposedly taught to raise questions and formulate answers in a calm and reasonable way.

Well here is Julie Bindel:

https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/1641424858612375553

"I condemn ALL male threats, violence, aggression and intimidation towards ANY and ALL women, whether I like them or not, whether they are feminists, or not, and whether they hate, love, or are indifferent to me."

So a general condemnation whatever people's viewpoints. This is specifically about male on female aggression, but presumably she doesn't think other cases are acceptable either.

Actually I think many do. After LWS in Brighton there were many abusive comments about the "baby screamer" regarding her appearance. All the comments I saw, mostly from maga types, had many replies condemning them.

So...MerlinsLostMarbles...the facts are clear. Trans rights activists regularly post images of knives and guns, and encourage others to "punch terfs in the throat". Here are just a fraction of them... https://terfisaslur.com/ I have never ever seen a feminist say anything like this. If there is such an instance, it must be 500:1 violent threats from TRA compared with feminists. There may be something coming from the right wing thugs, but if you can't distinguish them from Mumsnetters, you are not very astute. You have no leg to stand on in this argument. AND...all the posters on this thread say that they condemn violence. SO...the challenge remains for you, as a TRA, to say that you condemn the violence and the death threats coming from your side. Go on, you can do it.