David TC Davies - pleasant article in Telegraph about Welsh Labour's policies

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/09/david-tc-davies-welsh-secretary-interview-lgbtq/
Enjoyable article but I can't do share tokens.
The title is 'It doesn't make sense for a 16 year old to have the right to change legal gender'
“And how many people – if we knocked on doors in Wales – would think that it was a good idea to allow a 16-year-old to legally change gender or start taking puberty blockers and then have physical surgery?”
I'd vote for him if I lived in Monmouth.

Thanks for sharing. I was just thinking about him the other day and what he was up to, he was quite involved at the beginning wasn’t he? With getting Posie or others into Parliament etc.

Yes. The comments are pretty much all supportive as well. There are 2 posters who argue like TRAs and get put straight by everyone else. I think women's and children's rights really is finally breaking through just not as far as the Labour Party in either England, Scotland or Wales.

Was it Bercow who was bullying him at some point? He went quiet for a long time as has Bercow.

I wonder if Jamie Wallis made a difference.

This is archived: https://archive.is/t8XvN

MN has hidden my link. The article is on archive.is

He supported Linda Bellos in court. I think the only MP to do so. I can’t imagine Linda Bellos and David T Davies sharing political views in any other circumstance!

The link works. Thank you. It's a cracking article on the nuttiness of UK Labour. Can't believe I used to be a party member.

David TC Davies has form for being sound on women's rights. Willing to cut past bullshit and fashion.

I've name changed for this thread but long time lurker.
I'd like to add to this because I do live in Monmouth, and I know David slightly and have discussed this issue (at considerable length) with him.
I first emailed him circa 2017 about this issue shortly after he was quoted in a newspaper saying something pretty reasonable, but not brilliantly informed. He emailed me back almost immediately asking to speak to me. (Which was pretty impressive). We had a really good conversation and he was aghast at how it was going and I was able to offer him some feminist contacts for him to speak to further. He definitely got in touch with them and then organised the meeting in parliament. He did various other useful but quiet things and I have to say, I went from thinking he was not my kind of person to having huge respect. I followed up a couple of years later and he also had the self awareness to say that he agreed entirely with me but as a white middle aged male Tory, there's only so much he should be saying about women's rights, (fair play for self awareness) to which I did remind him that his position of power and women like me asking him to speak up did actually make it ok. He can occasionally be a little Alan Partridge but he knows the score and is prepared to speak up, at personal cost.

Good to hear Botenook,
I just remember the relief I felt when he didn't simply dismiss concerns on the Mumsnet chat.
I am sure he does know this but women are 51% of his constituents and if more male MPs had thought along these lines sooner, perhaps they wouldn't have gone along with the genderwoo for long. I suppose if Theresa May were captured, it would have been difficult to speak out and indeed he was made Welsh Secretary by Sunak.

I met him outside the Venice Allen/Linda Bellos court case. He told be that he was just doing what he felt was right.

At the time he was the only MP with their head above the parapet and he got real stick for it.

So he was introduced to an issue, took time to listen and investigate and form his own opinions. He then took it forward, working with then likes of WPUK, even though they were not his natural political constituency. Well done him, and well done Botenook

Yes Botenook and Mr Davies were early key moves that helped get us where we are, well done.

He was the first MP to listen to women and speak up on the issue. He invited women to parliament and arranged a debate in Parliament inspite of that bell end John Bercow. He noted that it was mainly left wing women who were raising concerns, not his natural constituency but that didn't stop him offering his help. He was genuinely shocked at what he found and never made a party political issue of it. An unexpected ally. Huge respect. A true parliamentarian.

I suppose we should also acknowledge the behind the scenes work in the Conservative party by 'Conservatives for women'.
I remember when they first posted on FWR asking for our support.
https://www.conservativesforwomen.org/free-speech

He and Miriam Cates are both examples of how not ALL MPs are entirely self serving and lacking any conviction.

Both honourable people who clearly believe in public service and that as MPs they are there to represent the people. I do find it an immense relief to occasionally hear about an MP like this.

I do know he had a huge amount of abuse/ threats far surpassing anything he'd previously had simply on this subject alone. And he still continued. In fact I imagine it probably spurred him along. I don't agree with him on all things, but I am thankful.

The depressing thing in all this is the fact that we regard DTCD as an exception. Shouldn't every MP be like this?

Yes I think 'Conservatives for Women' now report that they have at least 50% Tory MPs fully on board with the fact that biological sex is what matters and that women's rights and children's safeguarding must be respected. I will try to find the article. I don't think 50% are TWAW though.

Here is a tweet which was on a newsletter in December 2022.
They have 195 Conservative MPs signed up.

So 195 out of 355 MPs is 54%.

He seems like a decent bloke thank goodness. I remember him speaking up right at the beginning of this. I wish my local mp was like him.

My MP was in that first group of 20, he and others helped turn May around. It took CforW a long time to get them on board, why were the MPs so resistant?

Was May turned round? Does she now think being trans is after all likely a mental illness in most cases?
I wondered if Justine Greening had influenced her in LGBTQ matters. Greening stood down as an MP over Brexit or maybe over the tide turning on genderwoo?
I also wonder if Ruth Davidson put undue pressure on when May needed the 12 Tory MPs in Scotland after losing her majority and also needing the DUP. Despite being a lesbian, she seems to stay silent on the trans issue and has now had her own baby and gone to the House of Lords.

I and another woman got letters from our MPs to say that May's government was going to protect single sex exemptions or something I can't remember orher than it was a turning point, as many MPs assistants were apparently blocking meetings and letters from constituents to MPs, so it was only a few of us that managed to get MPs ears. May was all for self - ID before that.

Maria Miller, Justin Greening and Ruth Hunt are all quiet now.