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Is anyone following Steve Chalke on twitter?

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Sausagenbacon · 08/04/2023 19:40

Steve Chalke on Twitter: "Read the responses to my tweet below. The point is proved. Those who’re different are often silenced. But singled out beyond others now are trans people; buried under the kind of abuse that 30 yrs ago was saved for those who are gay, & 2,000 yrs ago was heaped on Jesus himself." / Twitter
I'm not sure if the link works - anyway, he used Stonewall statistics about trans suicide rates, and was pulled up on it by Justin Webb. Then apologised. Then said his lived experience supported it ('so there'). Has tweeted earlier today complained that he's been assassinated on twitter (i.e. people are disagreeing with him) and comparing himself with Jesus. And has tweeted again, doubling down on it. Very exciting.

https://twitter.com/SteveChalke/status/1644763264998338560

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bearfood · 08/04/2023 19:56

Don't use Twitter but I work in one of his schools and can confirm the man is an absolute knob.

JacquelinePot · 08/04/2023 19:58

He sounds unhinged. Who is he?

zurala · 08/04/2023 19:58

I don't follow him but for some reason his tweets are in my feed a lot. I used to think he was great but now I'm cringing for him. Sadly he seems totally in thrall to the trans lobby though I can't work out why. Unless it's just an extension of the church's general hatred of women (I say that as a long term Christian).

Sausagenbacon · 08/04/2023 20:03

He's spoken at our church (I couldn't go) about inclusive Christianity, and went down well. So a vicar. But he's not doing well on the thread. It's very bad of me, but it's great entertainment

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PotteringPondering · 08/04/2023 20:06

JacquelinePot · 08/04/2023 19:58

He sounds unhinged. Who is he?

Background was as a big noise church leader in the evangelical tradition. Became liberal in his views, so alienated lots of his former colleagues but endeared himself to advocates of progressive causes.

Founder of the Oasis Academies, often comments on education matters on Radio 4. Still also involved in church leadership in London, known these days for his liberal theology and supporting trans rights.

TheWonderfulThingAboutTiggers · 08/04/2023 20:07

Oh. I used to like him.

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 20:12

I saw the start of it earlier but couldn't quite remember who he was. Bar his bio.

Glad Justin pulled him up!

The bit I saw he was waxing lyrical about gender identity being part of dfe guidance and stonewall. And picking plus the pieces of trans people in church who aren't supported (which was ironic given detrans' experiences.)

Sodd · 08/04/2023 20:17

Nothing about speaking up for underdog women who are on the receiving end of poorer pay, male abuse and carrying unpaid caring responsibilities.

Walkingtheplank · 08/04/2023 20:23

I'm a Christian and was wondering if it was appropriate for me to go to the LWS event tomorrow. I'd spoken to my DH about it. We reckoned that Jesus would want to Let Women Speak, would want women to be safe etc. I still felt a bit guilty spending Easter Sunday at such an event.

But now Chalke has compared himself to Jesus being crucified, I'm definitely going.

Thanks Steve.

AccidentallyFabulous · 08/04/2023 20:30

Background was as a big noise church leader in the evangelical tradition. Became liberal in his views, so alienated lots of his former colleagues but endeared himself to advocates of progressive causes.

I have Thoughts about this trajectory, as someone who has been on a reasonably similar one.

I think that Christians from an evangelical background who have moved to a more liberal approach to scripture are often horrified when they look back at the things they used to sign up to regarding sexuality, marriage equality and so forth. Of all the views that one might reassess as one moves to a different expression of faith, that is the one where there's the real possibility of having caused real hurt and harm to people.

So they don't want to make that mistake again, all critical thinking goes out of the window, and they sign up completely to the 'it's just like gay rights' view where trans ideology is concerned.

I see this happening on a denominational level as well as in individuals I know.

The real irony here is that a lot of these people might well have cited evangelical churches' treatment of women as one of the things which made them rethink but concern for women doesn't seem to register in the same way any more. Steve Chalke's list of 'the excluded' in his tweet doesn't include women, yet he came from a bit of the church which absolutely does exclude women, and he knows - or should know - that the patriarchy is a thing.

RealityFan · 08/04/2023 20:40

Another one who's let TRA rot his brain. I'd say what a disappointment, but instead, I'd say, Steve who?

PotteringPondering · 08/04/2023 20:51

AccidentallyFabulous · 08/04/2023 20:30

Background was as a big noise church leader in the evangelical tradition. Became liberal in his views, so alienated lots of his former colleagues but endeared himself to advocates of progressive causes.

I have Thoughts about this trajectory, as someone who has been on a reasonably similar one.

I think that Christians from an evangelical background who have moved to a more liberal approach to scripture are often horrified when they look back at the things they used to sign up to regarding sexuality, marriage equality and so forth. Of all the views that one might reassess as one moves to a different expression of faith, that is the one where there's the real possibility of having caused real hurt and harm to people.

So they don't want to make that mistake again, all critical thinking goes out of the window, and they sign up completely to the 'it's just like gay rights' view where trans ideology is concerned.

I see this happening on a denominational level as well as in individuals I know.

The real irony here is that a lot of these people might well have cited evangelical churches' treatment of women as one of the things which made them rethink but concern for women doesn't seem to register in the same way any more. Steve Chalke's list of 'the excluded' in his tweet doesn't include women, yet he came from a bit of the church which absolutely does exclude women, and he knows - or should know - that the patriarchy is a thing.

Been on a similar journey – what you say is right. Including the bit about it happening at denominational level. The calls for justice and compassion are all about gender identity (transition as a 'sacred journey' etc), or sexual orientation. Same in liberal Christian spaces such as Greenbelt.

I'm hearing nothing about women's rights, or the need to protect women's safety. My theory:

  1. Women's rights are seen as old news – most churches now have women leaders.
  2. It's a bit like David Baddiel's argument in Jews Don't Count. Just as antiracists don't tend to see Jews as vulnerable (they are stereotyped as wealthy, successful, powerful), women in the UK are caricatured as privileged 'Karens' – they don't appear to have many layers of intersectional disadvantage, so don't need to be protected.

Neither is true, of course, but I wonder if that's the unspoken assumption...

QuinceTamarillo · 08/04/2023 21:15

Is that the Steve Chalke who played Becky Connor on Rosanne after Lecy Goranson quit?

But singled out beyond others now are trans people; buried under the kind of abuse that 30 yrs ago was saved for those who are gay 2,000 yrs ago was heaped on Jesus himself. Right, mate, and all that time boring old women have been systemically abused, sidelined, and exploited - whilst being "different" and "singled out" only in contrast to the default humans (men) and without even the hope of appealing to allegedly ethical, humane elites for protection as might be granted to/demanded for a minority.

WhiteFire · 08/04/2023 21:20

It makes my heart and head hurt so much when I think back to how he was before all this.

RealityFan · 08/04/2023 21:23

He's really lost it...online criticism is analogous to crucifixion...and all on Good Friday as well, FFS!

Where have I seen him before? His name is so familiar.

TheWonderfulThingAboutTiggers · 08/04/2023 21:24

He used to be a bit of a tv vicar a long time ago on morning tv programmes.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/04/2023 21:27

Those tweets! Knowing that the man is responsible for schools and youth groups with his dodgy use of statistics and emotional manipulation of others is quite terrifying.

RealityFan · 08/04/2023 21:28

Would I have liked him?

I went thru quite an anti religion period in my Chris Hitchens/Richard Dawkins fanboy 90s period.

He must have left an impression, his name has really snagged me.

Laladybird · 08/04/2023 21:40

Oh no. Please not the Church of England as well?!

WhiteFire · 08/04/2023 21:46

Walkingtheplank · 08/04/2023 20:23

I'm a Christian and was wondering if it was appropriate for me to go to the LWS event tomorrow. I'd spoken to my DH about it. We reckoned that Jesus would want to Let Women Speak, would want women to be safe etc. I still felt a bit guilty spending Easter Sunday at such an event.

But now Chalke has compared himself to Jesus being crucified, I'm definitely going.

Thanks Steve.

I would say you are good to go, Jesus empowered women and the first person he appeared to on Easter Morning was Mary and it was her that spread the word.

Is anyone following Steve Chalke on twitter?
TheWonderfulThingAboutTiggers · 08/04/2023 23:45

I still remember him from the "Lessons in love" videos at sunday school telling us not to tempt fate / get to close to someone/ do anything at all before marriage. Did anyone else watch those?

He was however someone who used to come across well - compassion for anyone downtrodden etc. And I followed his move out of the evangelical world a bit and was impressed. Id love to know more about how his schools are run tbh.

But this makes me sad. I imagine its a "be kind" without understnanding.

WhiteFire · 09/04/2023 08:43

I've looked at the tweet a bit more, he's not actually taking any notice of what anyone says and is just repeating the same few tweets to any criticism.

RealityFan · 09/04/2023 09:11

WhiteFire · 09/04/2023 08:43

I've looked at the tweet a bit more, he's not actually taking any notice of what anyone says and is just repeating the same few tweets to any criticism.

He's like a parrot on Groundhog Day.