“The evidence to support medicalised gender transitions in adolescents is worryingly weak”

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Econimist article shared by my increasingly GC hubby:https://econ.st/3ZNU7rz
(I hope the share link works and isn’t limited).

So tragic for the young victims butchered thanks to this abhorrent ideology.

More sunlight, and more first rate journalism from the Economist.

The TRAs will no doubt be especially incensed by the fact that Economist articles are never bylined, so they will struggle to harass, attack and threaten violence against any individual journalists.

Have you seen the Swedish series of documentaries? Puberty blockers are 'supposed' to be for a couple of years with monitoring for side effects like reduced bone density and they followed one child who had been on them for 4 years whose spine was deteriorating and causing them daily pain.

Planning to use them from 11-18 is completely bonkers. They are not safe. What a mess we are in 😥

https://archive.ph/oeQ6F

For the article.

But the Interim Report from Cass discusses the NICE reviews. The links to NICE are on the Cass Review’s website. So if you were following that I’m not sure how you can say it was “kept quiet” because it forms a considerable part of the Interim Report. And it was reported by the BBC. The NICE reviews have been quoted in medical articles including the one linked above. So those things alone mean the NICE reviews were high profile not “kept quiet”. I don’t know what you mean by “kept quiet” then. All I can assume it to mean is you somehow didn’t know about it. Which is fine.

The second one.
https://archive.ph/iItqZ

Re the NICE review, we discussed it here as soon as it was released:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4207281-NICE-Evidence-Review-for-Use-of-Puberty-Blockers-for-GD-Now-Released?page=1

It was quite a busy thread

Jesus why do you care?
To me anyway ‘keeping things quiet’ (my words) and ‘ignoring them’ (yours) are pretty much along the same lines.
Maybe it’s a vernacular thing. I’m Irish.

Laws against what? Donations to political parties by large companies to influence policy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_funding_in_Ireland

It's a contested issue at the moment, because Sinn Fein, which stands for election on both sides of the border, has received a huge donation which would be illegal in RoI but which is legal in Northern Ireland under UK rules.

The post you were responding to was talking about the Lib Dems in the UK.

Who have had funding from the makers of Puberty Blockers.

Thanks for posting that - I found it very interesting - took me down an internet wormhole about medical ethics.

I did not know about the patient who died from complications from gender reassignment surgery mentioned in the article. How awful.

I don't understand how people consistently say puberty blockers etc are reversible and dismiss talking therapy when there seems to be so much evidence saying the opposite.

The post I was responding to was talking about Ferring.

It then referred to their potential political influence in the UK.

I was speculating on Ferring's potential political influence in Ireland, a country where the pharmaceutical sector is one of the main industries. The mechanism by which it could influence policy is quite different from the UK situation, because the legal basis for political funding is different.

The bit of the article that stuck with me was this:

"Of note, youth with non-binary identities, common today (Green et al., Citation2022), were ineligible for medical interventions according to the Dutch protocol, and instead needed psychotherapy: “adolescents… whose wish for sex reassignment seems to originate from factors other than a genuine and complete cross-gender identity are served best by psychological interventions [emphasis added] (de Vries et al., Citation2006, pp. 87–88).
Thus, the Dutch protocol explicitly excluded the characteristics of adolescents presenting to clinics in recent years—those whose trans-identities emerged around puberty; non-binary presentations without the wish for a complete cross-sex reassignment; or cases of gender dysphoria accompanied by significant uncontrolled mental illness. The high level of psychological functioning of the Dutch cohort at baseline serves as evidence that these selection criteria were indeed followed at the time (de Vries et al., Citation2011). The fact that “gender-affirming” interventions are now provided to the very segment that was explicitly excluded from the eligibility in the foundational studies is alarming."

I don't understand how people consistently say puberty blockers etc are reversible and dismiss talking therapy when there seems to be so much evidence saying the opposite.

The people saying this aren't interested in evidence. They're interested in pushing their own agenda.

Middle-aged men who transition (due to a fetish) need there to be children who are 'transgender' to support their assertion that they were 'born this way' and were 'transgender kids' themselves. They need there to be a transition pathway for children that they say they wish they had followed themselves. They have no interest in the wellbeing of these actual children, they are just using them as cover for their own fetish which they want people to accept as so natural that it can occur in children. The last thing they want is for children to have talking therapy which is likely to result in them abandoning their trans identity.

They used to be quite open about this, until they realised that openly saying they were using children as a human shield wasn't the brightest move. (The video this quote is from has been taken down).

Late transitioner Autumn Sandeen suggests here that 'trans youth' are most important group for changing legislation because they 'demystify' the trans experience and 'take the sex right out of it.'

https://twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1013774040509673478

You implied that the UK has laws about private companies donating to political parties, which it doesn't.

Just to be clear. The UK political party called the Liberal Democrats did indeed get a donation of a rather large amount from an organisation who make puberty blockers. Where that organisation makes those puberty blockers is irrelevant. The aim was to manipulate the law of the UK. Not Ireland. If you are going to say there is a law against something, implying that someone is lying, it is best to be clear what you are trying to dispute.

I suggest you read my post again. It is quite clear that I am referring to Ireland. My follow-on post specifically contrasts the legal situation of Sinn Fein on the Irish-legislated side of the UK border in Ireland and on the UK-legislated side side of that border.

You are interested in mechanisms of influence on your politicians.

I am interested in mechanisms of influence on my politicians.

I'm sure you're saying the same thing.

Thank you for all the links, extra links and screenshots. I have a lot of reading to do later in this glorious sunlight.

Well said, thank you.

I have been listening to a number of interviews with the man who made this film. https://www.daughtersofthewestfilm.com/
Simon Esler. Also been looking at the many videos available on Youtube about detransitioners. They all point to Big Pharma profiting from this awful trend.
The medical institutions and education systems are also at fault for failing to understand the difference between care and abuse of young people.