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Another: It never happens...but this one is a bit different.

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Delphinium20 · 07/04/2023 18:54

It's terrifying that another person was planning an elementary school shooting. Guns and disturbed men are a dangerous combo. The sister turned him in -she probably saved countless lives. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/william-lilly-whitworth-elbert-county-colorado-springs-school-shooting-church-manifesto/

19-year-old charged with plotting shootings at Colorado Springs school, churches

A 19-year-old in Elbert County is accused of planning school shootings in Colorado Springs and at churches.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/william-lilly-whitworth-elbert-county-colorado-springs-school-shooting-church-manifesto

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Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

WhiteFire · 07/04/2023 19:38

Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

I don't fucking care how desperate they were, or how much they felt out of control, it doesn't mean they have to plan a mass shooting.

Hoardasurass · 07/04/2023 19:48

And you can tell that William is a transwomen rather than a transman because everyone is using Williams preferred pronouns

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 21:03

Yes. Misogyny in action even with these deranged school shooters.

DemiColon · 07/04/2023 21:20

WhiteFire · 07/04/2023 19:38

I don't fucking care how desperate they were, or how much they felt out of control, it doesn't mean they have to plan a mass shooting.

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That's a weird response, obviously no one "needs" to plan a mass shootnig.

But people who do this kind of shooting are essentially committing suicide, which is usually recognized as evidence their mental faculties are not working properly. And this kid seems to have some pretty significant risk factors and red flags besides that. This is a disturbed individual.

ReadersD1gest · 07/04/2023 21:22

DemiColon · 07/04/2023 21:20

That's a weird response, obviously no one "needs" to plan a mass shootnig.

But people who do this kind of shooting are essentially committing suicide, which is usually recognized as evidence their mental faculties are not working properly. And this kid seems to have some pretty significant risk factors and red flags besides that. This is a disturbed individual.

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No shit 🙄

dimorphism · 07/04/2023 21:42

Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

And yet his sister, who lived in the same home, not only didn't plan a mass shooting but also had the courage and presence of mind to stop him doing it.

Plenty of people live in difficult situations. Seeking help is a reasonable response. Killing other people is not.

LisaPandervump · 07/04/2023 21:45

Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

Oh please wait while I play my tiny violin

nepeta · 07/04/2023 21:48

Events like this one, and the several incel-related mass killings, are why online bubbles with false information are so very harmful. Many transgender people now seem to believe that they will be gunned down if they go out at all when this is quite clearly untrue (and the data demonstrates it to be so). But within those kinds of bubbles individuals, including those with mental disorders, are validated in their anger and fear.

This is really dangerous. Politicians should use their powers to speak about this and to calm the waters, but they tend to prefer the opposite approaches.

BordoisAgain · 07/04/2023 21:56

As per the last shooting, you have a mentally ill person being bombarded with rhetoric that acts of violence are acceptable as the whole world hates them, it's not surprising that a small number follow through on what they are basically being groomed into doing.

DemiColon · 07/04/2023 21:57

dimorphism · 07/04/2023 21:42

And yet his sister, who lived in the same home, not only didn't plan a mass shooting but also had the courage and presence of mind to stop him doing it.

Plenty of people live in difficult situations. Seeking help is a reasonable response. Killing other people is not.

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Of course it's not reasonable, do you really think anyone thinks that?

This is like saying that because one kid in a fucked up family family is more resilient and maintains an optimistic outlook, gets themselves out of the situation, and has a good life, the other kid who succumbs to depression, gets addicted to drugs, and becomes an indigent person just should have been more like his sibling and done better. That's like the worst caricature of right-wing television pundit-speak.

Yeah, at one level that would have been great, maybe there were choices that individual could have made and things would have turned out better. But denying coming from a fucked up family and having a mental disorder can create individuals who go off the rails is just dumb.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 07/04/2023 22:02

"This is a disturbed individual."

I don't think they'll be any argument about that, but as is often, but by no means always, the case being disturbed and being dangerous are not mutually exclusive.

DemiColon · 07/04/2023 22:07

BordoisAgain · 07/04/2023 21:56

As per the last shooting, you have a mentally ill person being bombarded with rhetoric that acts of violence are acceptable as the whole world hates them, it's not surprising that a small number follow through on what they are basically being groomed into doing.

I also think that in the US, for certain people who are at the point of committing suicide, the mass shooting has become a cultural trope. They've known for a long time that social contagion is a thing with mass shootings, but I think it's now so embedded in people's consciousness that it's beyond that - you don't need to see a recent example to have it in your mind.

Just like other cultures have had certain ways that people who are in some kind of distress copy - burning themselves to death in public, cutting the wrists in a bath, falling on your knife, whatever. They shape the way people think about what they're going to do. In the last 30 years or so mass shootings have become a recognized act that has an appeal to a person who feels disaffected and wants to proclaim that to society while killing himself. Whereas a person who grew up without that imagery would be far less likely to think about something like that.

DemiColon · 07/04/2023 22:09

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 07/04/2023 22:02

"This is a disturbed individual."

I don't think they'll be any argument about that, but as is often, but by no means always, the case being disturbed and being dangerous are not mutually exclusive.

No, of course not, disturbed people can absolutely be dangerous!

Is the issue that people have been so indoctrinated with the idea that we shouldn't see disturbed people as dangerous that they feel compelled to deny that dangerous people are not disturbed?

BordoisAgain · 07/04/2023 23:02

DemiColon · 07/04/2023 22:07

I also think that in the US, for certain people who are at the point of committing suicide, the mass shooting has become a cultural trope. They've known for a long time that social contagion is a thing with mass shootings, but I think it's now so embedded in people's consciousness that it's beyond that - you don't need to see a recent example to have it in your mind.

Just like other cultures have had certain ways that people who are in some kind of distress copy - burning themselves to death in public, cutting the wrists in a bath, falling on your knife, whatever. They shape the way people think about what they're going to do. In the last 30 years or so mass shootings have become a recognized act that has an appeal to a person who feels disaffected and wants to proclaim that to society while killing himself. Whereas a person who grew up without that imagery would be far less likely to think about something like that.

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Yes, that's a very good point

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 23:34

Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

Do you think that malicious, hate filled people just don't exist? I'm afraid they do.

NatashaDancing · 08/04/2023 02:35

Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

If they were truly desperate they could just end their own life without the need to end anyone else's. They had the means.

I'm from a farming background. Farmers are a high suicide risk because of the toxic combination of money problems, solitary working and, even in the UK where guns are highly regulated, access to guns. Whilst my family hasn't been personally affected I know of several who were desperate enough to end their lives, but no one else's, with a gun.

Fantasmagoricalan · 08/04/2023 07:36

Mendholeai · 07/04/2023 19:27

Apparently the home was stuffed with rubbish and there was a serious hoarding problem. Which goes some way to explaining the desperation and lack of control they must have been feeling. Nobody plans a shooting which will almost inevitably result in their own death unless they are desperate.

I don’t give a shit how desperate they are. Don’t mass-shoot kids in a school. Just kill yourself.

It’s like shooting up schools is de rigueur if you’re disturbed and just want attention. It is fucked. Totally fucked.

As are the insane republican gun-lobbyist responses to each tragedy.

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