If you thought we were getting somewhere...

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Then this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/jun/23/transgender-footballers-in-germany-can-choose-men-or-women-team

The woman who oversees womens and girls' football welcomes the ruling. I could cry. According to the BBC, the English, Welsh and Scottish FAs have approached to Germans for more information. I dread to think what they have in mind

The BBC are living in hope, I think. Remember that this is the channel who had a show in which a 14 year old lectured her GP father on the safety and propriety of her sharing her bedroom with her fourteen year old male bodied friend , because he was currently claiming to be a girl. Dad apologised …..

They are captured.

I think there is an increasing ground swell against ‘ inclusion’ of male bodied people ( be- testicled or no) in womens sports in the UK. My DH is working inside a very traditional sports organisation to this end, and once the blazer and tie wearing chaps are aware of the situation, they are appalled and actively arguing against it.

But we must not relax our guard, the 🧜🧜🏻‍♂️ Will not give up without a fight.

The article in the OP is from last June.

FIFA haven’t decided on their new policy yet, as far as I’m aware

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12637562/fifa-footballs-governing-body-to-review-transgender-eligibility-policies

Football isn’t a sport I follow so I’m not that familiar with the federation structure but I presume that when FIFA publish their rules, the German Footballing Federation in the OP will have to review this policy?

As far as I am aware UK teams are still using the FA’s 2014 rules:

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/equality/lgbt/summary.ashx

Hopefully a football- person will come along and correct any mistakes I made!

Things have moved on considerably this year and I have no doubt that the governing bodies of all major sports will follow the lead of Fina, World Athletes and UK Athletics.

Didn't check date on the article, sorry. It was talked about on the Today Programme this morning. Wonder why they resurrected it now, unless because of home nation FA involvement. Couldn't see anything on the BBC news app today.

That’s ok!

Your post is a good reminder that we are waiting for FIFA.

After FINA, the swimming governing body made their announcement last summer, both FIFA and World Athletics said they would be reviewing their own policy.

World Athletics have published theirs but FIFA have not. Perhaps whatever it was that you heard on the radio indicates that FIFA will be announcing their update in the next 24 hours or so?

If FIFA and national football associations do go ahead with the "affirmed gender" thing, it will be an interesting experiment.

How will 'affirmed' be defined? How will the public in general react to women's teams containing some, then possibly mostly, men? The Lionesses, for instance? How will transmen react when they finally realise they will never play professional football or get into a national team? (I remember a poster on one thread saying a schoolgirl they knew wanting to be a trans boy because she wanted to be a footballer - no chance at all when competing for a contract against biological males.)

I mean, crap for the women who will lose opportunities, but interesting in a long-term, historical studies way.

There was another thread mentioning this because the women’s World Cup will be held in Australia and NZ, and the Aussie team includes TW player. Curious to see how this plays out. Surely if TW are allowed to play, there are plenty of men who’d happily (temporarily) adopt a female persona if it meant getting to play in a World Cup. Would love to hear how the Lionesses respond to this.

Presumably Germany is happy for Harry Kane and Bukayo Saka to identify as in “girl mode” during the Women’s World Cup? Bring it on - they’d regret it.

Unfortunately the line under the one you highlighted is key - footballers can apply to play in their affirmed gender and in practice this is not likely to be refused, according to the FAs guidance. Transwomen players are already present in many levels of the UK women's game.

I didn’t highlight anything, it’s just a Google auto function.

If you read the rest of my post I’ve posted the complete document that the Google hit in the screenshot is from.

The policy document is from 2014, so it will definitely be reviewed depending on what FIFA come back with.

The English FA have been reviewing their transgender inclusion policy since at least June 2022. I would imagine it's likely to align with FIFA and perhaps that's why the radio silence, but that's not a given and neither policy may protect grassroots football even if they vote to exclude biological males, which also not a given.

Yes, all of the points you are making are in the 2014 document, the other posts on this thread and the threads about other various sporting federations

hopefully FIFA will hurry up as they made their policy review announcement at the same time world athletics did and world
athletics has already published.